Hamster Buddha
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When you go to these countries you enter at your own risk.Many of those people don't give two ****s why reporters are there.Nor do they care if Americans know their side of the story.
If we had not interfered in the middle east Bin Laden would be just another unknown Arab.
At this point in time, that's basically correct.
Their homelands, and the "theater" they operate in are currently confined to areas within the ME.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of their victims have been of ME and/or Muslim decent.
I agree completely with you.... but what about in the future?
There has been plenty of political discussion about "how" we take action against ISIL.
But I am curious how DP members would side on the issue if it was a choice between no action at all vs. action (of whatever type occurs.)
Personally I was completely against the Invasion of Iraq from day 1.
Yet I am very much for the annihilation of ISIL.
I am not sure if the beheading videos were meant to lure us into the fight or meant to scare us away.
Yet, even though I am aware that I am likely being manipulated to someone elses agenda... I do not even care.
I want blood. I want to see every ISIL member dead. If it was their goal to manipulate me... it worked.
What about it?
You could say the same thing for Iran, North Korea, your next door neighbor, the lawn care crews that come cut your grass, the police officer at your kids school, ......
If we start going to war with "potential future threats" ......... well, that's just a place I can't justify we go.
On the other hand, had we of taken that view of Al Qaeda prior to 9/11, 3000 Americans might still be alive. Also, the examples you list aren't the same in this instance. Say what you want about Iran and North Korea, they haven't actually threatened us like ISIS has. Well, NK does but no one takes them seriously anymore (even when they actually back it up). And up to this point, Iran has been adamant that their Nuclear Program is for peaceful purposes.
At some point, if you do acknowledge that they are a threat, and not just a strategic adversary (as I would classify NK and Iran), shouldn't something be done about it now when they are in their infancy?
Hindsight is 20/20.
There's no way to know what could have prevented 9/11, and to suggest we could have stopped that is rather simple don't you think?
You can't forge peace and understanding with smart bombs, drones, and death. Not when it comes to generations and generations of cultural hatred.
We need Islamic countries to stand up to fanatical Islamic hatred.
Western countries dropping bombs and forcing a military occupation of Islamic countries isn't going to spread peace and tranquility.
There's no way to "win" the "war on terror" through use of "brute force" and "military occupation from the west".
Not without turning the west into a genocidal machine that's willing to basically start world war 3 and risk almost complete destruction of mankind as we know it.
The US can't police the ME.
The US can't "kill terrorism".
Just keep them out of our country and out of our embassies. Which I suspect we can do without the military.
Anything that ISIL combatants do elsewhere should be handled by the governments who claim to control that territory.
Hindsight is 20/20.
There's no way to know what could have prevented 9/11, and to suggest we could have stopped that is rather simple don't you think?
You can't forge peace and understanding with smart bombs, drones, and death. Not when it comes to generations and generations of cultural hatred.
We need Islamic countries to stand up to fanatical Islamic hatred.
Western countries dropping bombs and forcing a military occupation of Islamic countries isn't going to spread peace and tranquility.
There's no way to "win" the "war on terror" through use of "brute force" and "military occupation from the west".
Not without turning the west into a genocidal machine that's willing to basically start world war 3 and risk almost complete destruction of mankind as we know it.
The US can't police the ME.
The US can't "kill terrorism".
Military action has been unable to take out Al Qaeda and it will also fail against ISIS/ISIL.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Its clear that we arent learning from our mistakes nor are we learning from history because we keep repeating the same errors each time. :roll:
I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.
ISIL claims to be just that - a gov't in control of territory.
I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063789837 said:You realize oil is a nonrenewable resource? That probably won't happen.
I think we have to put their oil production out of commission too. ISIS is making 2 million a day selling oil. That should not be difficult from the air.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063789837 said:You realize oil is a nonrenewable resource? That probably won't happen.
Oil gets to market by pipeline. Blowing up a pipeline will not waste much oil but it will keep it off the market.
I have yet to see anybody discuss what the "endgame" situation in Syria and Iraq should look like, much less how to achieve it militarily.
There is no "endgame", militarily or otherwise. The only possible "endgame" is to utterly eliminate extremist Islam from the face of the planet. Since that is not an option, or even a possibility, we're just putting off the inevitable and this will continue to come back and bite the planet in the ass forever.
There is no "endgame", militarily or otherwise. The only possible "endgame" is to utterly eliminate extremist Islam from the face of the planet. Since that is not an option, or even a possibility, we're just putting off the inevitable and this will continue to come back and bite the planet in the ass forever.
Because as soon as it looks like we might win, we stop. We never follow through.
maybe that means eliminating any area that harbors it?
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