Are 'YOU' a winner?

ptsdkid · Mar 19, 2007

Many if not all of us have faced roadblocks that have tested our will power and resolve to succeed and to ‘win’ each and every personal battle. Fighting to overcome personal tragedies is to fight to ‘win’. Those opting to whine, to settle for the easy way out (the path of least resistance), to cut-and-run, and to disparage others for their commitment to win personal/national battles and wars are in my highly regarded and humble opinion…losers, quitters, negative nay saying nabobs of doom and gloom, and the ultimate dregs on society, as well as dregs to a personal lifestyle choice.

Two such personal credentials that have made me a winner:

#1. I overcame severe child/adolescent physical and emotional abuse to the point where I refused any and all drug treatment plans. I could have easily accepted an institutionalized life at a VA hospital, replete with the full benefit package from pretty young doting nurses to a front row seat at Tuesday night’s BINGO bonanza. While the amenities were tempting, I chose to win the personal battle.

#2. I was a severely traumatized 19 y. o. teenager in the late sixties when the United States drafted me to fight in the Vietnam War. I had available options to dodge the draft. Available was a college deferment; employing a psychiatrist to prove I was emotionally unstable and unfit for the military; and or hitching a ride with the next VW hippy bus to Toronto or Montreal with the intent to change citizenship status. While the choices were tempting, I chose to win both a personal and national battle.

See if you can pick out the winners from the losers in this following link. This is not a test per se, more like a lesson in common sense and the description of a ‘winner’.

Michelle Malkin

Johnson · Mar 19, 2007

Everyone overcomes some obstacles in thier lives. Only not everyone goes around telling everyone else thier hardships in order to feel like a bigger "winner".

Doremus Jessup · Mar 19, 2007

ptsdkid said:
...are in my highly regarded and humble opinion…

:rofl :rofl I think you might be high.

Spartacus FPV · Mar 19, 2007

No, he's off his meds, and he thinks that is an accomplishment.

niftydrifty · Mar 19, 2007

Michelle Malkin? she's a whiner, not a winner.

1069 · Mar 19, 2007

ptsdkid said:
Many if not all of us have faced roadblocks that have tested our will power and resolve to succeed and to ‘win’ each and every personal battle. Fighting to overcome personal tragedies is to fight to ‘win’. Those opting to whine, to settle for the easy way out (the path of least resistance), to cut-and-run, and to disparage others for their commitment to win personal/national battles and wars are in my highly regarded and humble opinion…losers, quitters, negative nay saying nabobs of doom and gloom, and the ultimate dregs on society, as well as dregs to a personal lifestyle choice.

Two such personal credentials that have made me a winner:

#1. I overcame severe child/adolescent physical and emotional abuse to the point where I refused any and all drug treatment plans. I could have easily accepted an institutionalized life at a VA hospital, replete with the full benefit package from pretty young doting nurses to a front row seat at Tuesday night’s BINGO bonanza. While the amenities were tempting, I chose to win the personal battle.

#2. I was a severely traumatized 19 y. o. teenager in the late sixties when the United States drafted me to fight in the Vietnam War. I had available options to dodge the draft. Available was a college deferment; employing a psychiatrist to prove I was emotionally unstable and unfit for the military; and or hitching a ride with the next VW hippy bus to Toronto or Montreal with the intent to change citizenship status. While the choices were tempting, I chose to win both a personal and national battle.

See if you can pick out the winners from the losers in this following link. This is not a test per se, more like a lesson in common sense and the description of a ‘winner’.

Michelle Malkin

Well... if that stuff's true (and you've been pretty consistent in this ptsd story, as far as I can tell) then you've really been through some sh!te.
I don't know if you're a "winner' or not, because you haven't really stated what you're doing now that's so great, other than just being alive after having survived horrible situations (an accomplishment in itself, I suppose).
Presumably, since you've got internet access, you're not a total loser, by conventional standards. I mean, I guess you're not living under a bridge or anything.
I'm sorry these bad things happened to you. It's good that you survived them. Maybe you can somehow use the fact that you survived these things to help empower other people who are still struggling with the same issues, i don't know. Maybe you already do that.

On another note, I think the responses to this thread are pretty disgraceful.

Hatuey · Mar 19, 2007

Kid. Did you know that crazy people don't know they're crazy?

ptsdkid · Mar 19, 2007

1069 said:
Well... if that stuff's true (and you've been pretty consistent in this ptsd story, as far as I can tell) then you've really been through some sh!te.
I don't know if you're a "winner' or not, because you haven't really stated what you're doing now that's so great, other than just being alive after having survived horrible situations (an accomplishment in itself, I suppose).
Presumably, since you've got internet access, you're not a total loser, by conventional standards. I mean, I guess you're not living under a bridge or anything.
I'm sorry these bad things happened to you. It's good that you survived them. Maybe you can somehow use the fact that you survived these things to help empower other people who are still struggling with the same issues, i don't know. Maybe you already do that.

On another note, I think the responses to this thread are pretty disgraceful.

***Thanks for being the only one so far that understood the intent of the post, and thanks for your kind words.

Iriemon · Mar 19, 2007

Lachean said:
No, he's off his meds, and he thinks that is an accomplishment.

ROTFLMAO!!

ptsdkid · Mar 19, 2007

Hatuey said:
Kid. Did you know that crazy people don't know they're crazy?

***Did you ever see the movie "What about Bob?" One begins to wonder whether the psychiatrist is crazier than his patient.

Who is to tell for sure whether contented looking mentally challenged patients peering out of their 13th floor hospital windows at the madness of the muticultural hubbub below, are not the sane ones. Those segregated patients are certainly not a racist lot of people. That fact alone probably puts them in the non-contender category for the title of crazy people.

Hatuey · Mar 19, 2007

ptsdkid said:
***Did you ever see the movie "What about Bob?" One begins to wonder whether the psychiatrist is crazier than his patient.

Who is to tell for sure whether contented looking mentally challenged patients peering out of their 13th floor hospital windows at the madness of the muticultural hubbub below, are not the sane ones. Those segregated patients are certainly not a racist lot of people. That fact alone probably puts them in the non-contender category for the title of crazy people.

I rest my case.

mikhail · Mar 19, 2007

what is the point of this thread

ptsdkid · Mar 19, 2007

mikhail said:
what is the point of this thread

***The purpose of this thread is to answer honestly if you're a winner or loser in life.

Doremus Jessup · Mar 19, 2007

ptsdkid said:
***Did you ever see the movie "What about Bob?" One begins to wonder whether the psychiatrist is crazier than his patient.

Who is to tell for sure whether contented looking mentally challenged patients peering out of their 13th floor hospital windows at the madness of the muticultural hubbub below, are not the sane ones. Those segregated patients are certainly not a racist lot of people. That fact alone probably puts them in the non-contender category for the title of crazy people.

Why must you always try to claim that you are not a racist? Issues much?

mikhail · Mar 19, 2007

ptsdkid said:
***The purpose of this thread is to answer honestly if you're a winner or loser in life.

Hahaha only a loser would make this thread only losers feel the need to show other people they are a winner with words.

CaptainCourtesy · Mar 20, 2007

People. As much as I disagree with 'the kid' and am, generally not only his biggest detractor, but his biggest 'stubborn pain in the neck', we must give him some credit here. He has survived some horrific childhood circumstances, a war, where many veterans, instead of being honored as the heroes they were, instead were condemned, and a debilitating psychological disorder. There may be many things the kid and I do not agree on, but disparaging him for his surviving many challenges is not something I will participate in, nor condone. There are plenty of things to debate and argue with the kid about. This is not one.

And, please stop the personal attacks.

niftydrifty · Mar 20, 2007

mikhail said:
what is the point of this thread

there doesn't have to be a point. i think it's just thrilling for some people to have their words show up on the internets.

ptsdkid · Mar 20, 2007

Doremus Jessup said:
Why must you always try to claim that you are not a racist? Issues much?

***Unless you're globbing me in with those 13th floor patients, I was referring to the patients as being non racist. It had nothing to do with me.

ptsdkid · Mar 20, 2007

mikhail said:
Hahaha only a loser would make this thread only losers feel the need to show other people they are a winner with words.

***Ah, but the rub here is to get those that are leading a less than stellar lifestyle-- to admit that they are indeed losers in life. Takes a big man to come all the way out of a tiny confined closet.

Gardener · Mar 20, 2007

CaptainCourtesy said:
. He has survived some horrific childhood circumstances, a war, where many veterans, instead of being honored as the heroes they were, instead were condemned, and a debilitating psychological disorder. There may be many things the kid and I do not agree on, but disparaging him for his surviving many challenges is not something I will participate in, nor condone. There are plenty of things to debate and argue with the kid about. This is not one.

Just one point of contention here, that being your stating something as fact here that really you only know by heresay. Pstd kid SAYS he is a Vietnam Vet and SAYS he has post traumatic stress disorder, but you really do not know that for certain. Considering the way his every post screams for attention and trolls the way they do, might the possibility exist that he has, ummmm....,embellished?

niftydrifty · Mar 20, 2007

Gardener said:
Just one point of contention here, that being your stating something as fact here that really you only know by heresay. Pstd kid SAYS he is a Vietnam Vet and SAYS he has post traumatic stress disorder, but you really do not know that for certain. Considering the way his every post screams for attention and trolls the way they do, might the possibility exist that he has, ummmm....,embellished?

Could be true. my dad was in Nam. he wasn't a drinker before VN. He overcame alcoholism sometime around 1990. VN isn't an issue much for him at all anymore.

I have an uncle that won the Medal of Honor for killing dozens of people and saving his platoon.

the last thing anyone I know, or have heard of (except for John Kerry and ptsdkid) that was in VN ever wanted, is to make a huge issue of their service or to make that the thing they are known for. they also got over all of this stuff years ago.

Hatuey · Mar 20, 2007

niftydrifty said:
Could be true. my dad was in Nam. he wasn't a drinker before VN. He overcame alcoholism sometime around 1990. VN isn't an issue much for him at all anymore.

I have an uncle that won the Medal of Honor for killing dozens of people and saving his platoon.

the last thing anyone I know, or have heard of (except for John Kerry and ptsdkid) that was in VN ever wanted, is to make a huge issue of their service or to make that the thing they are known for. they also got over all of this stuff years ago.

See the thing is your father like mine are real people. I'm proud of my fathers service to this country and brag about it any chance I get. Does he do it? No. Real soldiers don't try to get pity parties or parades for their services. Neither do child abuse victims but hey thats just my opinion.

rivrrat · Mar 20, 2007

ptsdkid said:
***Ah, but the rub here is to get those that are leading a less than stellar lifestyle-- to admit that they are indeed losers in life. Takes a big man to come all the way out of a tiny confined closet.

Define "less than stellar".

If someone is happy with their life and lives it without harming others, then IMO they are a "winner".

cherokee · Mar 20, 2007

Hatuey said:
See the thing is your father like mine are real people. I'm proud of my fathers service to this country and brag about it any chance I get. Does he do it? No. Real soldiers don't try to get pity parties or parades for their services. Neither do child abuse victims but hey thats just my opinion.

If that was the case then what do you make of poets or writers? Are they just in it for the pity party as well? Saying what a real soldier does or doesn’t do is something of a huge brush stroke isn’t it?
Some talk about their experiences and some don’t. Its up to the person if they allow you into their world. I have family who served in Vietnam, some openly talk about what they experienced while others wont say a frigging word.

Aside from the political stance of the Kid isn’t this still the USA where people have the right to voice their happiness or pain? Or has that become too much or a PC thing? Can you judge a person because give you a glimpse of their life.
How would you judge jallman if he told you of the hardships of being gay that he's faced in his life? Would you label him as a seeker of a pity party too?
What about when I talk about Beirut, am I seeking the party as well?

Hatuey · Mar 20, 2007

cherokee said:
If that was the case then what do you make of poets or writers? Are they just in it for the pity party as well? Saying what a real soldier does or doesn’t do is something of a huge brush stroke isn’t it?
Some talk about their experiences and some don’t. Its up to the person if they allow you into their world. I have family who served in Vietnam, some openly talk about what they experienced while others wont say a frigging word.

Aside from the political stance of the Kid isn’t this still the USA where people have the right to voice their happiness or pain? Or has that become too much or a PC thing? Can you judge a person because give you a glimpse of their life.
How would you judge jallman if he told you of the hardships of being gay that he's faced in his life? Would you label him as a seeker of a pity party too?
What about when I talk about Beirut, am I seeking the party as well?

The OP in this thread wasn't trying to talk about his experience in Vietnam. He started this thread to get praise and attention for a fictitious life. It has nothing to do with PC.

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