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Are we headed toward permanent minority rule in this country?

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The Senate is already ruled by the minority states. Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution. Now with voter suppression rules in elections and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments, a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House. So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
 
independentusa said:
The Senate is already ruled by the minority states. Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution. Now with voter suppression rules in elections and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments, a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House. So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
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Not if people keep fleeing blue states that they destroyed by voting for democrats,.
 
We're already there. Look at the Court. Look at the Senate. Look at what state legislatures are doing.
 
Bear5131 said:
Not if people keep fleeing blue states that they destroyed by voting for democrats,.
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People are moving for economic reasons and are taking their politics with them. If anything the migration from red to blue states will turn red Staes purple.
 
Callen said:
People are moving for economic reasons and are taking their politics with them. If anything the migration from red to blue states will turn red Staes purple.
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No they are moving because they vote against their own fiscal interests by voting for democrats. They take their pensions and run.

They ruined Detroit. They bankrupt some California cities, they bankrupt Illinois (if it was legal for states to declare bankruptcy )

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independentusa said:
The Senate is already ruled by the minority states. Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution. Now with voter suppression rules in elections and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments, a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House. So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
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Headed toward? We have been there since the Constitution was ratified.
 
Permanent? No. Could our democracy go through a bit of a rough patch for a while? Definitely.
 
independentusa said:
The Senate is already ruled by the minority states.
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What do you mean by "minority"?

independentusa said:
Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution.
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How so?

independentusa said:
Now with voter suppression rules in elections
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"voter suppression rules"??

How about some examples?

independentusa said:
and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments,
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shrug...

Gerrymandering works both ways...and not always for the "minority".

independentusa said:
a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House.
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State and federal legislators still have to win their elections...you know, get a majority of votes.

independentusa said:
So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
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No.
 
independentusa said:
The Senate is already ruled by the minority states. Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution. Now with voter suppression rules in elections and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments, a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House. So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
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No. Minority rule cannot self-sustain. Putin's about to find that out, Saddam did, etc. You can oppress people for awhile but sooner or later, those who previously carried out your evil against your political enemies will turn on you.
 
lurchadams said:
No. Minority rule cannot self-sustain. Putin's about to find that out, Saddam did, etc. You can oppress people for awhile but sooner or later, those who previously carried out your evil against your political enemies will turn on you.
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So your advocating for an insurrection
 
lurchadams said:
No. But your guys already. actually advocated for and executed it. Good thing they failed.
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How else would the majority claim rule with out violence as you suggest ? They sure can't do it with in the constitution.
 
Bear5131 said:
How else would the majority claim rule with out violence as you suggest ? They sure can't do it with in the constitution.
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The minority are the treasonous Republican insurrectionists. Because the constitution didn't support their racist, oppressive views they decided to take things into their own hands and attack us on 1/6. Tell us, Bear. Are you unhappy that the coup failed?
 
lurchadams said:
The minority are the treasonous Republican insurrectionists. Because the constitution didn't support their racist, oppressive views they decided to take things into their own hands and attack us on 1/6. Tell us, Bear. Are you unhappy that the coup failed?
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No, but your reply cracked me up, keep them coming :)
 
Bear5131 said:
How else would the majority claim rule with out violence as you suggest ? They sure can't do it with in the constitution.
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Demographics and life spans.. The boomer bubble is popping...
 
The failure to pass voting rights brought us a step closer.
 
independentusa said:
The Senate is already ruled by the minority states. Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution. Now with voter suppression rules in elections and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments, a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House. So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
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Seems like this has been the case in our entire past, currently and in the future. What is the change you are concerned about.
 
independentusa said:
The Senate is already ruled by the minority states. Depending on whether they swing toward the Dems or the GOP, the Senate is a minority institution. Now with voter suppression rules in elections and gerrymandering districts for both the Federal and state governments, a minority of voters are running state legislatures and will run the federal House. So will this country be ruled by a minority of its citizens in the future?
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I think we're headed for permanent independent rule in this country... well not permanent, let's call it extended. D and R are both minority parties in our country now, and independents decide who makes the decisions.
 
One thing seems certain. As noble a principle as the 60 vote threshold in the Senate is, nothing of significance will happen for decades. Getting to 60 Senators of one party will take multiple election cycles.
 
Callen said:
One thing seems certain. As noble a principle as the 60 vote threshold in the Senate is, nothing of significance will happen for decades. Getting to 60 Senators of one party will take multiple election cycles.
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Tht is as it should be. Massive changes to this country should be hard to achieve and should require large bipartisan support.
 
lurchadams said:
The minority are the treasonous Republican insurrectionists. Because the constitution didn't support their racist, oppressive views they decided to take things into their own hands and attack us on 1/6.
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Who are you talking about? Which republicans were part of this so called insurrection? Why do you have such difficulty making honest posts?
 
Fletch said:
Tht is as it should be. Massive changes to this country should be hard to achieve and should require large bipartisan support.
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Lovely theory but the fact is there is no compromise, no bipartisan support on pretty much everything. Seems that has become a mortal sin.
 
lurchadams said:
The minority are the treasonous Republican insurrectionists. Because the constitution didn't support their racist, oppressive views they decided to take things into their own hands and attack us on 1/6. Tell us, Bear. Are you unhappy that the coup failed?
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No doubt, 'adams

The weak, treasonous republican FILTH hates democracy and must be DESTROYED in voting booths this fall and beyond...

 
Callen said:
Lovely theory but the fact is there is no compromise, no bipartisan support on pretty much everything. Seems that has become a mortal sin.
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Then nothing will get done. And thats ok too. The idea behind the US is limited federal government, not an all powerful central authority. We are a union of 50 disparate states with differnt populations, different opinions and different ways of life. It should be hard to ram a one-size-fits-all appraoch down our throats
 
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