Are Transgender People the Gateway to the LGBTQ Community as the Jews of Trump’s Movement?

[Juks]

The similarities between the Nazis’ early persecution of Jews and the current treatment of transgender individuals are striking when analyzing the mechanisms: isolation, demonization, discriminatory legislation, and the use of minorities as scapegoats.

The Nazis began their persecution gradually, with social and economic discrimination escalating into forced relocations, ghettos, and ultimately, the Holocaust.
The Nazis initially targeted specific subgroups within the Jewish community, such as intellectuals and Eastern European immigrants, before expanding their persecution to include all Jews. Similarly, Trump’s movement has focused its initial attacks on trans individuals, a small, misunderstood group, as a gateway to broader persecution of the entire LGBTQ+ community.

• Early Nazi policies restricted Jews from public spaces, such as parks and schools, laying the groundwork for their exclusion from society. Today, bathroom bans for transgender individuals achieve a similar goal by making public spaces inaccessible, effectively isolating them from full participation in society.
• The Nazis burned books by Jewish authors and intellectuals to erase ideas they deemed dangerous. Trump’s movement has already banned LGBTQ+ literature and education in several states and plans to expand these bans nationwide. Controlling what people can read and learn is always the first step toward controlling society itself.
• Just as the Nazis exploited Jewish individuals like fencer Helene Mayer to legitimize their regime during the 1936 Olympics, Trump’s movement uses individuals like Caitlyn Jenner to mask its broader discriminatory agenda against the LGBTQ+ community.

Historically, both socialists and communists opposed the Nazis’ antisemitism, but Jews were not their central focus. These movements framed their opposition as part of a broader struggle for workers' rights and equality, viewing antisemitism as a tool used by fascists to divide and weaken the working class. Similarly, liberal movements in the U.S. today oppose Trump’s anti-trans policies but often fail to highlight the specific vulnerabilities of transgender individuals, treating them as part of a broader fight for equality rather than addressing the unique challenges they face.

History warns us: once society accepts small steps of oppression, it quickly escalates. Today, trans individuals are the primary targets, but tomorrow, the entire LGBTQ+ community and others could face the same fate. The question remains: will we learn from history, or will we repeat it?

 

[Trumpetman]

Is there some sort of translation filter for this post? I tried stupid to English and it didn't work.

This post above is why you don't endorse DEI folks. The concepts are redefined words are so far removed from reality that normal brains cannot process it. (Sorry normal brains means non-neurodivergent for the DEI folks).

You read it above folks. Trump banning porn from schools is akin to the government burning books by Jewish authors.

Enjoy the insanity.

 

[trixare4kids]

The similarities between the Nazis’ early persecution of Jews and the current treatment of transgender individuals are striking when analyzing the mechanisms: isolation, demonization, discriminatory legislation, and the use of minorities as scapegoats.

The Nazis began their persecution gradually, with social and economic discrimination escalating into forced relocations, ghettos, and ultimately, the Holocaust.
The Nazis initially targeted specific subgroups within the Jewish community, such as intellectuals and Eastern European immigrants, before expanding their persecution to include all Jews. Similarly, Trump’s movement has focused its initial attacks on trans individuals, a small, misunderstood group, as a gateway to broader persecution of the entire LGBTQ+ community.

• Early Nazi policies restricted Jews from public spaces, such as parks and schools, laying the groundwork for their exclusion from society. Today, bathroom bans for transgender individuals achieve a similar goal by making public spaces inaccessible, effectively isolating them from full participation in society.
• The Nazis burned books by Jewish authors and intellectuals to erase ideas they deemed dangerous. Trump’s movement has already banned LGBTQ+ literature and education in several states and plans to expand these bans nationwide. Controlling what people can read and learn is always the first step toward controlling society itself.
• Just as the Nazis exploited Jewish individuals like fencer Helene Mayer to legitimize their regime during the 1936 Olympics, Trump’s movement uses individuals like Caitlyn Jenner to mask its broader discriminatory agenda against the LGBTQ+ community.

Historically, both socialists and communists opposed the Nazis’ antisemitism, but Jews were not their central focus. These movements framed their opposition as part of a broader struggle for workers' rights and equality, viewing antisemitism as a tool used by fascists to divide and weaken the working class. Similarly, liberal movements in the U.S. today oppose Trump’s anti-trans policies but often fail to highlight the specific vulnerabilities of transgender individuals, treating them as part of a broader fight for equality rather than addressing the unique challenges they face.

History warns us: once society accepts small steps of oppression, it quickly escalates. Today, trans individuals are the primary targets, but tomorrow, the entire LGBTQ+ community and others could face the same fate. The question remains: will we learn from history, or will we repeat it?

That's a cool story.

 

[Gozaburo]

The similarities between the Nazis’ early persecution of Jews and the current treatment of transgender individuals are striking when analyzing the mechanisms: isolation, demonization, discriminatory legislation, and the use of minorities as scapegoats.

First off, if you can't discuss problems in contemporary politics without invoking analogies about Nazism or other historically distant political ideologies you are either too low IQ to be discussing the issue, or you're about to make a very insincere argument... maybe both.

Second, when we're all ready to be adults let us understand that associating an ideology with an idea (in this case, Nazism with trans skepticism) is not actually an argument. It's a fallacious presentation of association that is effective because it triggers the monkey brain to avoid thinking critically or abstractly, and instead make an impulsive conclusion. Hitler was an environmentalist and strong believer in animal rights. Does his association with these ideas invalidate them? Of course not and most lib/progs agree.

So when you're ready to produce an actual argument instead of bad jacketing an idea with a bunch of irrelevant historical details, go ahead and make a thread on that.

 

[NatMorton]

Anti-Trump hysteria OP.

 

[Phys251]

The similarities between the Nazis’ early persecution of Jews and the current treatment of transgender individuals are striking when analyzing the mechanisms: isolation, demonization, discriminatory legislation, and the use of minorities as scapegoats.

The Nazis began their persecution gradually, with social and economic discrimination escalating into forced relocations, ghettos, and ultimately, the Holocaust.
The Nazis initially targeted specific subgroups within the Jewish community, such as intellectuals and Eastern European immigrants, before expanding their persecution to include all Jews. Similarly, Trump’s movement has focused its initial attacks on trans individuals, a small, misunderstood group, as a gateway to broader persecution of the entire LGBTQ+ community.

• Early Nazi policies restricted Jews from public spaces, such as parks and schools, laying the groundwork for their exclusion from society. Today, bathroom bans for transgender individuals achieve a similar goal by making public spaces inaccessible, effectively isolating them from full participation in society.
• The Nazis burned books by Jewish authors and intellectuals to erase ideas they deemed dangerous. Trump’s movement has already banned LGBTQ+ literature and education in several states and plans to expand these bans nationwide. Controlling what people can read and learn is always the first step toward controlling society itself.
• Just as the Nazis exploited Jewish individuals like fencer Helene Mayer to legitimize their regime during the 1936 Olympics, Trump’s movement uses individuals like Caitlyn Jenner to mask its broader discriminatory agenda against the LGBTQ+ community.

Historically, both socialists and communists opposed the Nazis’ antisemitism, but Jews were not their central focus. These movements framed their opposition as part of a broader struggle for workers' rights and equality, viewing antisemitism as a tool used by fascists to divide and weaken the working class. Similarly, liberal movements in the U.S. today oppose Trump’s anti-trans policies but often fail to highlight the specific vulnerabilities of transgender individuals, treating them as part of a broader fight for equality rather than addressing the unique challenges they face.

History warns us: once society accepts small steps of oppression, it quickly escalates. Today, trans individuals are the primary targets, but tomorrow, the entire LGBTQ+ community and others could face the same fate. The question remains: will we learn from history, or will we repeat it?

The goal of the transphobes is the ability to do to trans people whatever they want. It never comes all at once, but like the Germans in the 1930s, it came in stages.

Is there some sort of translation filter for this post? I tried stupid to English and it didn't work.

The OP was written for those who desire an intelligent, thoughtful conversation. Feel free to join us!

 

[Trumpetman]

The goal of the transphobes is the ability to do to trans people whatever they want. It never comes all at once, but like the Germans in the 1930s, it came in stages.

Repeating lunacy still means it is lunacy.

The OP was written for those who desire an intelligent, thoughtful conversation. Feel free to join us!

DEI discussion is neither thoughtful nor intelligent. "Your truth that you believe" is not a starting point for any common ground. It's a starting point for self-delusion.

 

[Phys251]

Repeating lunacy still means it is lunacy.

Yes, that's what is in your posts.

DEI discussion is neither thoughtful nor intelligent. "Your truth that you believe" is not a starting point for any common ground. It's a starting point for self-delusion.

DEI! Drink!

 

[Trumpetman]

Yes, that's what is in your posts.



DEI! Drink!

So in English, not jibberish, please explain how banning pornography from schools is akin to burning books by Jewish authors.

I'm sure you'll resort to drinking after you realize both how offensive and stupid that premise is to regular folks.

 

[Phys251]

So in English, not jibberish, please explain how banning pornography from schools is akin to burning books by Jewish authors.

I'm sure you'll resort to drinking after you realize both how offensive and stupid that premise is to regular folks.

Good, you're no longer recycling the DEI line. You're deciding to embarrass yourself in other ways, such as ^ that.

 

[Trumpetman]

Good, you're no longer recycling the DEI line. You're deciding to embarrass yourself in other ways, such as ^ that.

It's right there.

The Nazis burned books by Jewish authors and intellectuals to erase ideas they deemed dangerous. Trump’s movement has already banned LGBTQ+ literature and education in several states and plans to expand these bans nationwide. Controlling what people can read and learn is always the first step toward controlling society itself.

In your parlance, read it over and over until you understand it.

 

[dmpi]

People talk more about Nazis and Hitler now than in the 1940s. The only difference is back then they actually knew what they were talking abut.

 

[Phys251]

It's right there.



In your parlance, read it over and over until you understand it.

There you go again with the la-la-can't-hear you game again, this time against @Juks. Perhaps he was using words that are too much for you to comprehend? You can always consult a dictionary, you know.

 

[j brown's body]

The only argument the right-wing brings to the trans discussion is that they aren't really who they say they are. This smacks of cultural genocide.

 

[Phys251]

The only argument the right-wing brings to the trans discussion is that they aren't really who they say they are. This smacks of cultural genocide.

 

[Juks]

There you go again with the la-la-can't-hear you game again, this time against @Juks. Perhaps he was using words that are too much for you to comprehend? You can always consult a dictionary, you know.

I don't understand his post. As far as I can see, he is proving my point. So I don't feel the need to try and do what he has already done himself... That would be counterproductive.

 

[dmpi]

The only argument the right-wing brings to the trans discussion is that they aren't really who they say they are. This smacks of cultural genocide.

The position from the right is that trans are mentally ill and should be treated as such. If they are who they are then they wouldn't need self-mutilation to become their true self.

 

[eman623]

• Early Nazi policies restricted Jews from public spaces, such as parks and schools, laying the groundwork for their exclusion from society. Today, bathroom bans for transgender individuals achieve a similar goal by making public spaces inaccessible, effectively isolating them from full participation in society.

Leaving aside the laughable notion that being forced to use one bathroom instead of another denies full participation in society, bathrooms are not even a public space. They are a private space accessible by the public under sex-segregated rules. Furthermore, banning men in women's private spaces is not a new thing. It was the norm for 5,000 years until the left decreed about 10 years ago that we could no longer enforce such bans. The only problem is, you're a bunch of gender-bending lunatics and no one care what you think anymore. So pretty please with milk and sugar, dudes, stay out of the ladies' room! If you want to think that's Nazi Germany, then whatever. Just go think that in the men's room.

• The Nazis burned books by Jewish authors and intellectuals to erase ideas they deemed dangerous. Trump’s movement has already banned LGBTQ+ literature and education in several states and plans to expand these bans nationwide. Controlling what people can read and learn is always the first step toward controlling society itself.

Which books are banned? Name one and I will happily point you to where you can purchase it on Amazon or check it out at a local library in any so-called "banned" state.

• Just as the Nazis exploited Jewish individuals like fencer Helene Mayer to legitimize their regime during the 1936 Olympics, Trump’s movement uses individuals like Caitlyn Jenner to mask its broader discriminatory agenda against the LGBTQ+ community.

You know who are the biggest advocates of keeping men out of women's sports? Women in sports! They are not doing this because Trump beamed mind control rays into their heads. They advocate for that because they want to keep women's sports oh I don't know, for women!

History warns us: once society accepts small steps of oppression, it quickly escalates. Today, trans individuals are the primary targets, but tomorrow, the entire LGBTQ+ community and others could face the same fate. The question remains: will we learn from history, or will we repeat it?

Leaving aside that many LGBs and Qs don't like being lumped in with the Ts. 78% of Americans broadly support such groups living how they please.

This is only about the bathrooms, sports and other private spaces for women. Huge majorities support keeping them private. As do I But then, I'm a feminist!

 

[Phys251]

The position from the right is that trans are mentally ill and should be treated as such. If they are who they are then they wouldn't need self-mutilation to become their true self.

Actually the Right is more like:

 

[j brown's body]

Leaving aside the laughable notion that being forced to use one bathroom instead of another denies full participation in society, bathrooms are not even a public space. They are a private space accessible by the public under sex-segregated rules. Furthermore, banning men in women's private spaces is not a new thing. It was the norm for 5,000 years until the left decreed about 10 years ago that we could no longer enforce such bans. The only problem is, you're a bunch of gender-bending lunatics and no one care what you think anymore. So pretty please with milk and sugar, dudes, stay out of the ladies' room! If you want to think that's Nazi Germany, then whatever. Just go think that in the men's room.


Which books are banned? Name one and I will happily point you to where you can purchase it on Amazon or check it out at a local library in any so-called "banned" state.


You know who are the biggest advocates of keeping men out of women's sports? Women in sports! They are not doing this because Trump beamed mind control rays into their heads. They advocate for that because they want to keep women's sports oh I don't know, for women!


Leaving aside that many LGBs and Qs don't like being lumped in with the Ts. 78% of Americans broadly support such groups living how they please.

This is only about the bathrooms, sports and other private spaces for women. Huge majorities support keeping them private. As do I But then, I'm a feminist!

Transwomen have participated in women's sports and used women's restrooms for generations without a problem. Why is it one now?

Smoking is banned in public places, btw, but I can tell you where you can purchase some.

 

[Trumpetman]

There you go again with the la-la-can't-hear you game again, this time against @Juks. Perhaps he was using words that are too much for you to comprehend? You can always consult a dictionary, you know.

Spamming all the threads now I see. I wonder who else might see that.

 

[Phys251]

Spamming all the threads now I see. I wonder who else might see that.

Lying again I see. I wonder who else might see that.

 

[eman623]

Transwomen have participated in women's sports and used women's restrooms for generations without a problem. Why is it one now?

It was a problem back then too. Most said so at the time.

But you didn't have fully intact biological men who were obviously men styling themselves as women and walking into spas and restrooms back then. If they did, they would have been arrested. Now it's literally illegal for the management to stop them in some jurisdictions.

For example, my daughter plays high school basketball. Just yesterday her team played against another team with a male. This happens a lot here in the San Jose CA area - about every third match. He was faster, stronger and more aggressive than anyone else out there. One girl on my team had to limp off the court after he collided with her going for a loose ball. Luckily he was a lousy shot, but we still lost by one point. If he had not been out there, we would have easily won by double-digits.

How the left, who preens themselves about their commitment to fairness, stands by smiling benignly when this happens is a mystery. Or maybe not. Maybe their commitment to fairness is just more situational.

Smoking is banned in public places, btw, but I can tell you where you can purchase some.

Sometimes I wish moving the goalposts was banned.

 

[Trumpetman]

Transwomen have participated in women's sports and used women's restrooms for generations without a problem. Why is it one now?

This is a pure fantasy.

Smoking is banned in public places, btw, but I can tell you where you can purchase some.

Can you tell me that you identify as non-smoking while you smoke in front of me and then just declare I'm the problem with my lack of tolerance, education and hate?

Maybe the problem is, you're still smoking and gaslighting me.

That's the same problem with transpeople. They are just mad the gaslighting can't be bought even if a government mandated you must buy the lie.

 

[Phys251]

Transwomen have participated in women's sports and used women's restrooms for generations without a problem. Why is it one now?

Smoking is banned in public places, btw, but I can tell you where you can purchase some.