Are The Liberals Canada’s Natural Governing Party? (1 Viewer)

[Carjosse]

I have been seeing the discussion pop up on X a lot recently about how the Liberals are Canada’s natural governing party. The arguments being the Liberals have been Canada’s government for most of Canada’s modern history and have been the party to implement a lot of the policy and social programs we have today. Another one is they always eventually find a way to reform, the party’s ideals and values are malleable to get themselves back into power.

I think I would have to agree with those arguments, I remember in school almost of the highlights of Canada’s history involved the Liberals. People also remember the Liberal prime ministers not just for their policies but also their personalities, especially Trudeau Sr. I would say the only Conservative to even get remotely close to the legacy and staying power in the memory of Canadians was Mulroney. Nobody remembers Joe Clark and Harper seems to have been largely forgotten as well.

I think you could argue the same for other countries as well. I would say since Johnson the Republicans have been the natural governing party for the US, the Conservatives for the UK, CDU/CSU in Germany, LDP in Japan. I guess that also makes Canada one of the few to have a left leaning / centrist party as the natural governing party.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I remember Joe Clark. Mostly because I vividly remember his "worst political ad in history."

But that's more or less all I remember about him. He was a chump.

 

[maxparrish]

I have been seeing the discussion pop up on X a lot recently about how the Liberals are Canada’s natural governing party. The arguments being the Liberals have been Canada’s government for most of Canada’s modern history and have been the party to implement a lot of the policy and social programs we have today. Another one is they always eventually find a way to reform, the party’s ideals and values are malleable to get themselves back into power.

I think I would have to agree with those arguments, I remember in school almost of the highlights of Canada’s history involved the Liberals. People also remember the Liberal prime ministers not just for their policies but also their personalities, especially Trudeau Sr. I would say the only Conservative to even get remotely close to the legacy and staying power in the memory of Canadians was Mulroney. Nobody remembers Joe Clark and Harper seems to have been largely forgotten as well.

I think you could argue the same for other countries as well. I would say since Johnson the Republicans have been the natural governing party for the US, the Conservatives for the UK, CDU/CSU in Germany, LDP in Japan. I guess that also makes Canada one of the few to have a left leaning / centrist party as the natural governing party.

Well, until Trump it appeared the "natural governing party" was a polling disaster and the likelihood of staying in power was around 1 percent. Unsurprisingly, Trump torpedo the bright prospects for conservatives by his demented bullying about an imaginary Canadian fent import crisis and will he will no doubt keep the liberals in power for the foreseeable future.

The master of 4D chess has also threatened huge purchases of American combat aircraft and made cooperation on Greenland or any other Arctic security issue highly fragile. And of course, given that the US has meagre sources of aluminum and that most of it comes from Canada I'm sure there is some "logic" in Trumps dementia that must be telling him that higher aluminum prices will "conjure up" a raw resource we simply don't have.

How does that work again?

My advice to Canadians is too quietly but plainly pursue a pro-China policy and a deal to give them a foothold in the polar latitudes. Trump has made it clear that Canada is an enemy for at least the next four years, and if Vance gets elected then the next 12.

The US is under the thumb of a malignancy, and aberration so unreal it leaves most folks of knowledge stunned. But that is the world Putin and Trump want so everyone else needs to shelve their scruples and find counterweights elsewhere.

And China and Europe are a good start.

 

[Individual]

I have been seeing the discussion pop up on X a lot recently about how the Liberals are Canada’s natural governing party. The arguments being the Liberals have been Canada’s government for most of Canada’s modern history and have been the party to implement a lot of the policy and social programs we have today. Another one is they always eventually find a way to reform, the party’s ideals and values are malleable to get themselves back into power.

I think I would have to agree with those arguments, I remember in school almost of the highlights of Canada’s history involved the Liberals. People also remember the Liberal prime ministers not just for their policies but also their personalities, especially Trudeau Sr. I would say the only Conservative to even get remotely close to the legacy and staying power in the memory of Canadians was Mulroney. Nobody remembers Joe Clark and Harper seems to have been largely forgotten as well.

I think you could argue the same for other countries as well. I would say since Johnson the Republicans have been the natural governing party for the US, the Conservatives for the UK, CDU/CSU in Germany, LDP in Japan. I guess that also makes Canada one of the few to have a left leaning / centrist party as the natural governing party.

Makes on wonder why Canada would not be preferred over the U.S.A. for immigrants.

 

[Allan]

Makes on wonder why Canada would not be preferred over the U.S.A. for immigrants.

Canada is a close second to the US for preferred destination for immigrants.

We are the top destination for people wanting to immigrate for work.

 

[Allan]

I remember Joe Clark. Mostly because I vividly remember his "worst political ad in history."

Joe will be mostly remembered for miscounting available members for a budget vote resulting in his government being dismissed (by Schreyer).

Trudeau returned to office.

The best bit was that it resulted In what I think is the best Aislin cartoon ever...

 

[Allan]

I have been seeing the discussion pop up on X a lot recently about how the Liberals are Canada’s natural governing party. The arguments being the Liberals have been Canada’s government for most of Canada’s modern history and have been the party to implement a lot of the policy and social programs we have today. Another one is they always eventually find a way to reform, the party’s ideals and values are malleable to get themselves back into power.

I think I would have to agree with those arguments, I remember in school almost of the highlights of Canada’s history involved the Liberals. People also remember the Liberal prime ministers not just for their policies but also their personalities, especially Trudeau Sr. I would say the only Conservative to even get remotely close to the legacy and staying power in the memory of Canadians was Mulroney. Nobody remembers Joe Clark and Harper seems to have been largely forgotten as well.

I think you could argue the same for other countries as well. I would say since Johnson the Republicans have been the natural governing party for the US, the Conservatives for the UK, CDU/CSU in Germany, LDP in Japan. I guess that also makes Canada one of the few to have a left leaning / centrist party as the natural governing party.

Liberals have been successful in recent history for two reasons in my opinion. People like P.E.T. and Chretien have appealed to both Anglophones and Francophones (although not so much in the west).

In addition the Liberals over time have attracted the best talent and have had a deep bench. Men of vision, education and intelligence. Joe Clark didn't hold a candle to P.E.T., nor Stockwell Day with Jean Chretien.

Justin isn't as bright as most of his predecessors but still managed to win three consecutive elections which is indicative of Tory leadership weakness.

The contrast between Carney and Poilievre emphasizes the contrast in talent pool. Compared to Carney Poilievre appears shallow and awkward.

 

[Brusan]

Now we're seeing the latest episode of Dueling Tax Cuts coming to Netflix.

Gads! Canadians want to keep and improve upon single payer health delivery. We want an increased military presence in the far north. We want long overdue, new fighter/interceptor aircraft, new submarines, new Frigates, new icebreakers, yes perhaps even a new pipeline going east.

Like it or not we are going to have to provide Alberta and Quebec those things by which they can claim having beat the dastardly eastern bastards and Les Anglais into submission. How do we go about providing support to the Maritimes or will they get left in the lurch . . again?

Where in God's name do we think all of this "want" stuff is going to come from?

Very easy for Poilievre at this stage of the game to promise the moon and the stars with Carney having no choice but to see the raise and ante up so the wheels stay on his now projected majority win, but dang! This is a house of cards we're building here.

There is going to have to be a sea change in Canadian thinking in the next ten years, or these new trade deals overseas must bear a lot more fruit than I'm thinking possible in order to keep our debt to GDP ratio in the same universe.

 

[Allan]

Very easy for Poilievre at this stage of the game to promise the moon and the stars with Carney having no choice but to see the raise and ante up so the wheels stay on his now projected majority win, but dang! This is a house of cards we're building here.

One of Carney's projects is to reduce the size of the federal government which grew 40% under Trudeau. Not sure what that will save.

 

[sanman]

 

[Luce]

Who the **** is Charles Payne?

 

[Brusan]

Who the **** is Charles Payne?

Just another American talking head with nothing to say who bought a 1940's suit from the dollar store for his 15 minutes.

 

[Luce]

Just another American talking head with nothing to say who bought a 1940's suit from the dollar store for his 15 minutes.

He of course doesn't understand how your elections work.

I bailed out of the video when he was cautioning Canadians "not to vote for Carney:".

 

[sanman]

He of course doesn't understand how your elections work.

I bailed out of the video when he was cautioning Canadians "not to vote for Carney:".

Carney is the current caretaker PM and head of the Liberal Party. What's not to understand there?

 

[Luce]

Carney is the current caretaker PM and head of the Liberal Party. What's not to understand there?

Do Canadians vote for him?

 

[Luce]

No.

 

[sanman]

Do Canadians vote for him?

Nitpickery - when Justin ran, wasn't his face on so many election ads and posters? Don't tell me all those election ads and posters are faceless.
Stop being a pedant.

 

[Luce]

Nitpickery - when Justin ran, wasn't his face on so many election ads and posters? Don't tell me all those election ads and posters are faceless.
Stop being a pedant.

It's not nitpickery.

In Canada, you vote for your MP. If a party has a majority of MPs, that party's leader becomes prime minister.

If nobody has a majority, they bargain with each other to form a coalition that does have a majority.

So this idiot you linked to wanted to offer advice without even understanding how the system in question functions.

 

[sanman]

It's not nitpickery.

In Canada, you vote for your MP. If a party has a majority of MPs, that party's leader becomes prime minister.

If nobody has a majority, they bargain with each other to form a coalition that does have a majority.

So this idiot you linked to wanted to offer advice without even understanding how the system in question functions.

What we can see is an inferior system with much less checks-and-balances, since it doesn't have a separately elected executive and a separately elected legislative branch, with each being independently elected by the people.
Furthermore, according to party rules anybody can vote for who the Liberal leaders should be, including even foreigners like students or even illegal aliens.
You don't even need to be a citizen to vote for whom the Liberal Party leadership should be.
The safeguards are missing, and this creates a situation ripe for abuse.

 

[gbg3]

Interesting video and very interesting points made by Payne of Fox Business. Thanks for posting.

 

[gbg3]

My advice to Canadians is too quietly but plainly pursue a pro-China policy and a deal to give them a foothold in the polar latitudes. Trump has made it clear that Canada is an enemy for at least the next four years, and if Vance gets elected then the next 12.

It certainly will be an interesting 4 or 12 years regarding the "neighbor" relationship.

 

[Luce]

What we can see is an inferior system with much less checks-and-balances

I am certain the Canadians are traumatized by this revelation.

 

[Luce]

It certainly will be an interesting 4 or 12 years regarding the "neighbor" relationship.

What relationship?

That's gine.

 

[Allan]

Furthermore, according to party rules anybody can vote for who the Liberal leaders should be, including even foreigners like students or even illegal aliens.

It amazes me how little you know about the Canadian system, and that you're so enthusiastic to prove it.

Requirements to vote for Liberal leader...

 

[Allan]

Furthermore, according to party rules anybody can vote for who the Liberal leaders should be, including even foreigners like students or even illegal aliens

Party rules...