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Well, here is my post:
Does it really matter if the republicans try to exploit that event for political purposes; since, it merely opens them up to criticism regarding their future, potential, political strategy to position themselves as the party of fiscal responsibility when it comes to our War on Terror.
Have anything relevant?
I do recall how obsessed you progressives were over the phony Valerie Plame scandal. What's your problem?
To stop being sarcastic for a moment (sorry, but some of the comments I've seen here kinda lead me into it), let's ask ourselves: Isn't AQ in fact "on the run"? Haven't they been on the run since the fall of 2001 when we landed special forces in Afghanistan, .
I am not surprised at all with your response Jack.In full context it's actually worse than in the short version. It will prevent her from being elected POTUS. Nonetheless, Repubs are acting to exploit the issue. They are acting in response to an administration that has refused to treat the episode honestly.eace
In full context it's actually worse than in the short version. It will prevent her from being elected POTUS. Nonetheless, Repubs are acting to exploit the issue. They are acting in response to an administration that has refused to treat the episode honestly.eace
And there you have the source of all the conservative rage. The real scandal isn't that four Americans died, or that security wasn't tough enough. The REAL scandal is that Obama didn't take enough of a political hit before the '12 election.
As someone who had family who almost didn't make it out of Iraq all I have to say is that's disgusting. 2,996 people died on 9/11 because of incompetence. 4,487 soldiers died and 32,223 were wounded in Iraq because of blatantly misrepresented intelligence and atrocious planning.
I believe it may be less fiscally responsible to wage a War on any Thing, without wartime tax rates to prove fiscal forms of responsibility.
Al Qaeda was on the run and by 2008 were basically confined to Yemen, the Horn of Africa and northern Pakistan.
During the first three years of the Obama administration, Al Qaeda did go on the run, running all over the Middle East and North Africa expanding their base of operations in almost every country in the Middle East and North Africa.
Approximately nine months before the Benghazi murders, the CIA informed President Obama that Al Qaeda is back more dangerous than three years ago and are expanding their base of operations all over the Middle East and North Africa.
Approximately three yeas ago a whistle blower with in the CIA said that the Obama administration war against terrorism has been working off intelligence gathered during the Bush administration and it was drying up fast. That the Obama administration has been using UAV's with Hellfire missiles to kill Al Qaeda leadership instead of capturing them to gather intelligence.
The intelligence that led to finding Osama bin Laden was gathered during the Bush administration, not during the Obama administration.
Foreign intelligence services reported that Bin Laden was so hot that Al Qaeda forced Bin Laden into retirement before 2004. Since Bin Laden's millions of dollars of assesses were frozen during the early years during the Bush administration, they had no use for Bin Laden. Bin Laden couldn't finance any more attacks against America on it's own soil.
The top ten leaders of Al Qaeda on 9-11-01, eight were either killed or captured including #2. the mastermind of 9-11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during the Bush administration. When Obama entered the White House only #1 and #10 of the original top leaders of Al Qaeda were still at large. Soon #10 was killed and then #1, Bin Laden was killed.
Should be noted that 6,000 Al Qaeda fighters were killed in Iraq during the Iraq Insurrection. When Bush left the White House there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq, again Al Qaeda had been confined to Yemen, the Horn of Africa and northern Pakistan. Today Al Qaeda is back in Iraq. Al Qaedda is all over the ****ing place today.
Obama is a liar. Be it that Al Qaeda is being decimated and on the run, or closing down GITMO or if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
This is absolutely true. Its also notable that some of the intelligence used by Obama was gathered by waterboarded terrorists. Odd, that he would use that info, isn't it?
AQ flies its flag all over-including Benghazi after the attacks there in 2012. Obama says he cares about those kidnapped girls in Nigera-what does he think is going to happen to girls who have the nerve to go to school in Afghanistan after we pull out?
other.
they want all the documents related to the issue released by the administartion and the transparency the administration has promised.
neither have happened.
'While Obama was violating the "War Powers Act" and waging an unlawful war and conducting regime change in Libya, while American destroyers and aircraft were supporting Islamist radicals the black flag of Al Qaeda was flying all over Libya.
While Obama was violating the "War Powers Act" and waging an unlawful war and conducting regime change in Libya, while American destroyers and aircraft were supporting Islamist radicals the black flag of Al Qaeda was flying all over Libya.
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Skimming over the War Powers Act for a minute, why was regime change good in Iraq, but bad in Libya? You don't really think Gadhafi was a great guy do you? This guy would beg to differ:
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Skimming over the War Powers Act for a minute, why was regime change good in Iraq, but bad in Libya? You don't really think Gadhafi was a great guy do you? This guy would beg to differ:
Both Bill and Hillary Clinton supported regime change in Iraq. Bill even made it the official US policy regarding Iraq. :2wave:
President Clinton went further, he signed regime change in Iraq into law. It's the "Iraq Liberation Act" of 1998. Passed by Congress and signed into law by Clinton.
President G.W. Bush just followed the law that Clinton signed into law.
For those who were to young during the 1990's or those who are older but are inflicted with short term memory lost from drinking to much alcohol or smoking to much pot, during the 1990's the Hollywood Left came out with many comedies with Saddam Husein in them. "Hot Shots" with Charley Sheen, "Police Squad" always had hours of laughs and how many episodes of "South Park" had Saddam in them ?
According to the Hollywood liberals, the evilest man alive on Earth since Adolph Hitler was Saddam Husein.
I asked:They have stalled, lied, and evaded for too long.
The response I got was:Toward what end? What were they trying to accomplish?
Apparently, I was misunderstood. I meant "toward what end" did people in the administration "stall, lie, and evade"?For a start, we are going to find out what happened, and when. … Hows that for a start?
There was no lie. If there was. for God's sake, once and for all, let's hear it. WHO SAID WHAT that is a lie?The difference is that the President and his cabinet lied to us for two weeks and planted a false story about the attacks on Benghazi were inspired by a youtube video.
Obama said it was an act of terror the next morning in the Rose Garden. The "mistake" was the CIA's decision to give credence to local newspaper reports that pointed to a protest over the video as instigating the assault on the facility. And yes, Rice was put out on television the following weekend with talking points that were designed to keep both State and CIA happy. It was taking the path of least bureaucratic resistance. It was inadequate — a mistake. But there was no lying and no covering up.And then the administration recognized its mistake and said it was an act of terror.
she contradicts herself in an effort to cover all the bases. And she didn't acknowledge that she was pretty much the first person to trot out those talking points she said were being looked into.
It was not a mistake. It was an outright bald faced lie.
Yes, and Stalin became one in 1941.Gaddafi became an American ally in 2003
After some Americans got their panties all wadded in a bunch because the mastermind of 9-11 was waterboarded
For those who were to young during the 1990's or those who are older but are inflicted with short term memory lost from drinking to much alcohol or smoking to much pot
The man has committed one serious crime after another. Why has nothing ever come of it. Oh that's right, with this committee, you'll finally be able to get 'im.Obama was violating the "War Powers Act" and waging an unlawful war
Of course, it's very easy to capture these people. You just go out there with a butterfly net, right? And how much of an expert on counterintelligence in this specific area are you? What intelligence should we be risking American lives to gather?When Obama became President he refused to capture terrorist or Al Qaeda to gather intelligence probably because he had no place to put them except at GITMO or on U.S. soil.
Yeah, Obama had no real use for a mass slaughter of civilians in Benghazi. If you recall, that's when the coalition began serious air strikes against Libyan armour and artillery. If we hadn't stopped the loyalist forces closing in on the city, I have to wonder if Stevens might have resigned. He'd be alive, and monumental outrage over our weak, indecisive, desperate, flailing, panicking, cowardly failure to lead and respond in time to save the lives of thousands of innocent civilians would have taken the place of the monumental outrage over our weak, etc, failure to protect the life of our ambassador.Obama had no use for Gaddafi and threw him under the bus like he did with Egypt's President Mubarak who protected Israel's southern flank.
I don't want to continue this off-topic line, but I feel compelled to note that I have repeatedly listed Obama's accomplished goals and all you do is keep on saying he's never achieved them. I suppose I'll just give up — what's the point?Take a look at the promises made by the dems over the last 6 years. Compare them to now. The democrat party has nothing.
CIA has done this before, as was mentioned in that Time article:The CIA has to be pretty bush league to have done that ... or pretty much in the tank.
I'm not denying that version but it sounds more likely that it was really the WH who believed the media story because it was most serendipitous.
It was a CIA station. They were using State as a cover. Stevens didn't like that, but he accepted it. If he didn't, he would have resigned.The U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens request beefing up security at the Benghazi consulate and Hillary Clinton ignores the request.
Sure sounds like a lot o' hot air t' me.Then you have the majority of those serving in the U.S. military asking why didn't Obama issue an order to at least try to save these Americans in Benghazi during the attack ? And those Navy and Army flag officers who went on the record were purged from the military by the Obama administration.
the dems dont really have much else they want to bring attention to
Lets get this straight-its the dems who exploited those dead Americans for political purposes
You guys always seem to know what people are thinking, their motivations. Maybe that's why you often don't know what's going on — yer continually distracted reading people's minds.Exactly as I had stated an attempt to turn a simple line of questioning into an emotional and visceral event.
Lied before Congress? A very serious crime. And yet no charges. I guess the courts don't accept mind reading as evidence.recent e mails have proved that Hillary lied when she said their was confusion some time later. The official time that everyone knew it wasn't a reaction to a video was 9:45AM 9/12, this is indisputable because of the judicial watch inquiry.
There was an understanding within the State Department that officials in Libya ought not to request more security, in part because of concerns about the political fallout of seeking a larger military presence in a country that was still being touted as a foreign policy success.
The embassy was told through back channels to not make direct requests for security. This was more of the direct cause of the deaths than any other single factor and the reason for covering up.
The state dept should have had a military presence there to protect it-like in Iraq. Just another failure of Hillary.
dropping the ball after months of requests for additional security, increased AQ presence, and being ignored by Hillary
What wasn't known? What is now known that wasn't known when that debate took place on Oct 17?
Oy. What "testimony"?Testimony from people on the ground, from Hillary Clinton, from state dept staff, from military leaders, and so on.
You seem to never get to the point. What reason?You are wrong again-the point is that both Obama and Hillary had a very potent reason to obscure the events-which is why they did it.
The intelligence that led to finding Osama bin Laden was gathered during the Bush administration, not during the Obama administration.
"A U.S. Senate investigation concludes waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods provided no key evidence in the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to congressional aides and outside experts familiar with a still-secret, 6,200-page report." — "Senate report: Waterboarding didn't lead to Osama bin Laden," USA Today, Mar 31, 2014Its also notable that some of the intelligence used by Obama was gathered by waterboarded terrorists.
You seem quite knowledgeable about AQ activities. Where do you get this? And if AQ has expanded so much, why don't they take any action?During the first three years of the Obama administration, Al Qaeda did go on the run, running all over the Middle East and North Africa expanding their base of operations in almost every country in the Middle East and North Africa.
When Bush invaded Iraq, there was no operational AQ in Iraq.When Bush left the White House there was no Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Neither of those accusations has any validity. And so, let the circus begin! Or rather, drone on and on and on and …All Hillary has to do is admit she was an incompetent Secretary of State and all Obama has to do is admit on the night of the Benghazi attacks that he was derelict in his duties as CnC.
Maybe that PDB about OBL's determination to strike the US slowed him down. But he wouldn't have anyway — not in his nature. Jusy like it's not in Obama's. All this endless nonsense (part of a much larger collection) about Obama blaming Bush for stuff is just more right-wing hooey. He inherited a terrible economy. What was he supposed to do — pretend that he didn't? Reporters kept asking him, "Hey Barry, what is up with the slow recovery, man?" He would talk about the Great Recession and the patience required to get out of it. Republicans of course endlessly mocked him for "blaming Bush for everything."G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years of blaming President Clinton's failed counter terrorism policies
Actually AQ was flying their flags over the government buildings in Benghazi before the 9/11 attack. Yet Hillary's State department still sent Ambassador Stevens there with inadequate security. To a facility that had recently had it's perimeter wall blown up by terrorists. Then they tried to blame it on some jerk in California who put a video on YouTube.AQ flies its flag all over-including Benghazi after the attacks there in 2012.
Im going to hold the people in charge accountable. Obama should have had jets buzzing that compound every 3 minutes until the help he never sent arrived. The ambassador sent multiple requests for help, and none came. Some of those dead hero's went so far as to paint laser designators on the gun trucks that were part of the attack-hoping for air support that never came.
And then the WH decides to wait weeks before sending the FBI in (it was unsafe, they said-after repeated requests for increased security by the dead ambassador were ignored). In the mean time, the masterminds of the attack are freely and openly seen in public all over Benghazi and elsewhere, at one point seen drinking cocktails in a high end western hotel. Quick reaction forces all over the region were told to stand down when they might have made a difference-and if they didn't-we wouldnt have left the Presidents representative and 3 other heros to die alone surrounded by terrorists.
And the entire time, the spin machine of the Obama admin was running overtime. It was clear who committed these attacks but that might have hurt Obama in that election season-reminding people that AQ ISNT on the run, and on 9/11 no less-wouldnt be politically viable. So they lied, obscured, and left the families in the dark-all for politics.
And yet the silly libs of this forum want to accuse the Republicans of playing politics here. Its mind boggling. This type of thing can't happen again, and with a select committee the Obama admin is going to be pulled kicking and screaming into the sunlight. We are going to find out what they knew, and when.
The 9/11 Benghazi attack was sustained for several hours and occurred at 2 separate facilities.It was a CIA station. They were using State as a cover. Stevens didn't like that, but he accepted it. If he didn't, he would have resigned.
That is one of the most often told lies of the LWNJs. That lie along with the 911 truther nutjobs handed the Dumbocrats congress in 2006. The fact of the matter is that Al Qaeda controlled territory and held fortified positions in Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion. And even had a WMD facility near Sargat.When Bush invaded Iraq, there was no operational AQ in Iraq.
Earlier, someone posted a clip of Boehner speaking, about the "FOCUS", which must be one of his favorite words to use, seems I recall him saying the GOP agenda a few years ago was to be 'LASER FOCUSED ON JOB CREATION" and what have we seen from the GOP, focus on repeal of the ACA, repeal of Roe v Wade, other house bills to cripple the EPA which were disguised as jobs bills, yep, gotta hand it to 'em, they're hard at work, spinning their wheels.Are Republicans Exploiting Benghazi?
Of course; it is politics as usual, especially when they have no fiscally responsible solutions.
The 9/11 Benghazi attack was sustained for several hours and occurred at 2 separate facilities.
Actually the attack began at the known State Department facility, then the terrorists followed CIA operatives who tried the stop the attack back to a CIA station a few blocks away. And the attack continued there.
That is one of the most often told lies of the LWNJs. That lie along with the 911 truther nutjobs handed the Dumbocrats congress in 2006. The fact of the matter is that Al Qaeda controlled territory and held fortified positions in Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion. And even had a WMD facility near Sargat.
Yes AQ was in Iraq. Anyone who says different is a lying anti-USA zealot.
Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAllegations of a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda were made by U.S. Government officials who claimed that a highly secretive relationship existed between former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the Islamist militant organization Al-Qaeda from 1992 to 2003, specifically through a series of meetings reportedly involving the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS).[1] In the lead up to the Iraq War, U.S. President George W. Bush alleged that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and militant group al-Qaeda might "conspire to launch terrorist attacks on the United States",[2] basing the administration's rationale for war, in part, on this allegation and others.
The consensus of intelligence experts has been that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda were in contact but it never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.[4] Critics of the Bush Administration have said Bush was intentionally building a case for war with Iraq without regard to factual evidence. On April 29, 2007, former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet said on 60 Minutes, "We could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaeda for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period."[5]
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