Red:
I don't recall whether I've shared this before, but I think the voucher thing is more about boosting the fortunes/enrollments at parochial and other fundamentalist Christian schools than it is about education quality. I did some research on that notion. I'll try to dig it up and share it here in another post.
Blue:
NP. I understand. TY for mentioning it, and more importantly, for reading it.
boosting religious schools is a part of it where i live.
Things that the majority of Americans don’t need to know to have a decent life. Yeah there is an argument for a more liberal education. Maybe when we can afford and master teaching the basics first.
Red:
Really?
I'm inclined to think the pedagogical leadership flows the opposite direction and that the aim of public schools administrations and boards of education is to adopt methods that have, at private schools, been shown to be successful. (A simple way to fix the woes of U.S. public schooling -- Has the nation the will to make it happen?)
- How To Bring This Private School Teaching Method Into A Public School Classroom
- Addressing Classroom Challenges With the Harkness Method
- Harkness Moves to Public Schools
Red:
Really?
I'm inclined to think the pedagogical leadership flows the opposite direction and that the aim of public schools administrations and boards of education is to adopt methods that have, at private schools, been shown to be successful. (A simple way to fix the woes of U.S. public schooling -- Has the nation the will to make it happen?)
- How To Bring This Private School Teaching Method Into A Public School Classroom
- Addressing Classroom Challenges With the Harkness Method
- Harkness Moves to Public Schools
You would be wrong. Private schools on the whole answer to parents who are usually quite conservative and don't want innovation. As they generally have students with fewer issues, they don't need innovation. On the whole, public schools are always trying to dela with their lareger problems and lead in innovation, your links aside.
From here: Are private schools really better than public schools?
Excerpt:
So why mess with success? Here's why:
*The difference in the percentages quoted above is minimal - only 13%. Yeah, OK, so "13%" is not so little and, of course, we want "want only the best for our kids".
*Far too many of us want the best, which is creating both a social and an economic cleavage in society due to the present scheme of financing education - which is outdated. And our kids going to school with kids from the same socioeconomic context is not going to help.
*Whyzzat? Because it is in our youth that we learn to meet/greet/like-or-dislike the people who surround us on a frequent basis in school. The experience forms long-lasting personal opinions of our societal-context, and, unfortunately, our prejudices as well.
And so? So this:
*This is not a monologue against private-school education. Just a word of caution for those who do not want necessarily to educate their children into class-prejudices that can last a lifetime.
*This socioeconomic context of ours is a non-homogenous blend of peoples and families from very different contexts. We are all still Americans and One Nation. Despite the fact that gross-unfairness exists in terms of Income Disparity throughout the nation, east-and-west as well as north-and-south.
*Is that unfairness acceptable? Nope. And it is due largely to our educational system which is NOT FREE, GRATIS AND FOR NOTHING at the tertiary-schooling level. As it should be.
*Whyzat? It happened for the same reason that as America evolved out of the Agricultural Age into the Industrial Age we understood the necessity of assuring a Primary and Secondary Education. (Coming off the farms into better-paying industrial jobs were people who could not even read and write.)
*Most importantly, Age Change is happening once again. We are exiting the Industrial Age and entering the Information Age, for which knowledge and knowhow become key necessities. Both of those attributes comes from a higher educational level throughout the Tertiary Level - vocational, associates, bachelors, masters, doctorate.
*And in order to assure that ALL our people have the same opportunity, Post-secondary Education should free, gratis and for nothing.
It is in Europe. I live in France, and I've sent my two kids to university for less than $600 (in euros) per year plus room-'n-board.
I am thus assured that they have the best chances to make good with their lives. The necessary education is there, the rest is up to their efforts and Lady-Luck.
Last time I looked, we were 13th among the OECD countries, and dropping.
That's a recipe for the rich to have all the power, but it's also a recipe for misery, political unrest, and a crappy economy.
It's a competitive world, and we're losing ground.
No we're not. The good kids are still doing good. We just have more and more kids that used to be average that are falling into the lower levels. The top kids that we need to lead and invent, etc, are still top in the world.
You just blew off my stats (read facts) by writing off kids because they are bad.
Maybe that's because they aren't bad if you treat them like human beings.
Lots of countries take kids like that and turn them into good people, and productive workers.
So do we...
We're still 13th and falling. We don't have a long way to go before educational achievement is down with the non-developed countries.
You can't have a good economy with a minority that's properly educated. England tried that, a long time ago, and we ate their lunch.
What's actually necessary and who decides?
You are looking at it wrong, like many do. The middle and top kids are still at the top of the world rankings... what America is facing is different than most countries on the planet... illiterate immigrants both legal and illegal forcing teachers that are not bilingual to try to teach illiterate kids in a foreign language, gangs, a growing number of the population caught in the poverty cycle, etc. Iceland, Denmark, Finland, South Korean, Sweden, Norway... many other countries do not have problems that remotely resemble the United States. Then there is the growing racism in education mostly by the Hispanic and African American areas. The rankings are a statistic and we all know what bull**** statistics can be used for when used poorly.
Ahh, the old we can't have anything nice because they're not White argument.
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Is your posted response actually as stupid as it sounds?
From here: Are private schools really better than public schools?
Excerpt:
So why mess with success? Here's why:
*The difference in the percentages quoted above is minimal - only 13%. Yeah, OK, so "13%" is not so little and, of course, we want "want only the best for our kids".
*Far too many of us want the best, which is creating both a social and an economic cleavage in society due to the present scheme of financing education - which is outdated. And our kids going to school with kids from the same socioeconomic context is not going to help.
*Whyzzat? Because it is in our youth that we learn to meet/greet/like-or-dislike the people who surround us on a frequent basis in school. The experience forms long-lasting personal opinions of our societal-context, and, unfortunately, our prejudices as well.
And so? So this:
*This is not a monologue against private-school education. Just a word of caution for those who do not want necessarily to educate their children into class-prejudices that can last a lifetime.
*This socioeconomic context of ours is a non-homogenous blend of peoples and families from very different contexts. We are all still Americans and One Nation. Despite the fact that gross-unfairness exists in terms of Income Disparity throughout the nation, east-and-west as well as north-and-south.
*Is that unfairness acceptable? Nope. And it is due largely to our educational system which is NOT FREE, GRATIS AND FOR NOTHING at the tertiary-schooling level. As it should be.
*Whyzat? It happened for the same reason that as America evolved out of the Agricultural Age into the Industrial Age we understood the necessity of assuring a Primary and Secondary Education. (Coming off the farms into better-paying industrial jobs were people who could not even read and write.)
*Most importantly, Age Change is happening once again. We are exiting the Industrial Age and entering the Information Age, for which knowledge and knowhow become key necessities. Both of those attributes comes from a higher educational level throughout the Tertiary Level - vocational, associates, bachelors, masters, doctorate.
*And in order to assure that ALL our people have the same opportunity, Post-secondary Education should free, gratis and for nothing.
It is in Europe. I live in France, and I've sent my two kids to university for less than $600 (in euros) per year plus room-'n-board.
I am thus assured that they have the best chances to make good with their lives. The necessary education is there, the rest is up to their efforts and Lady-Luck.
Better or more private? Who can easily mosey onto a private school campus without being noticed verses who can easily mosey onto a public school campus and not be noticed?
Skipping class and leaving the campus is much more difficult to do on a private campus than on a public campus.
This goes for grade school level, high school level as well as for university/college level. Practically anyone can go onto a public college campus, enter into a grade classroom and sit it out as if they were part of the student body. But it's a little more difficult on Private college campuses to do that. And with public high schools, all the person would need to do is act as if he or she was a transfer student...
He or she might be the only one on campus with such fine monetary possessions. That's of course because he or she just transferred in. Even the teachers might be fooled. The only one that might not be might be the principle since the principle gets first news and interview with the transfer students.
Better or more private? Who can easily mosey onto a private school campus without being noticed verses who can easily mosey onto a public school campus and not be noticed?
Skipping class and leaving the campus is much more difficult to do on a private campus than on a public campus.
This goes for grade school level, high school level as well as for university/college level. Practically anyone can go onto a public college campus, enter into a grade classroom and sit it out as if they were part of the student body. But it's a little more difficult on Private college campuses to do that. And with public high schools, all the person would need to do is act as if he or she was a transfer student...
He or she might be the only one on campus with such fine monetary possessions. That's of course because he or she just transferred in. Even the teachers might be fooled. The only one that might not be might be the principle since the principle gets first news and interview with the transfer students.
For my family its the SO and me. Then again we dont do public school.
And how much do you know? I know we think everyone is an expert on every subject or can google it, but it's a serious question. How much do you know?
Last time I looked, we were 13th among the OECD countries, and dropping.
That's a recipe for the rich to have all the power, but it's also a recipe for misery, political unrest, and a crappy economy.
It's a competitive world, and we're losing ground.
TRANSLATION: Private schools are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy better.
Some of the old ones are superb.
But there is a lot of good and bad in the ones built in the last half century, not really all that different from public schools.
We need to get serious about education, and there is a simple truth. The countries with great education systems have either federal schools or federal control.
Not in the US.
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