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I find people amusing who only care about the health of people before they are born. They tend to be the same people who want to cut the health programs for those that have already been born.
I have not heard of the GOP proposals to provide something better for women's health services than PP, all I've heard about is their intention to cut funding for woman's health services.
Do you have a link to this proposal?
Perhaps you are not aware there are millions of Americans that cannot afford today's health care costs. That is the reason the women's health care screenings are so critically important.
Are you poor? If not you could probably afford to go to a doctor's office.
Who paid for them?
"Care for Yourself is a program that offers pap tests and pelvic exams, clinical breast exams, breast self-exam training and mammograms to qualified women between the ages of 40 and 64.
The Iowa Department of Public Health has been awarded funds from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to provide a statewide breast and cervical cancer screening program. The goal is to reduce the number of deaths from breast and cervical cancer by screening to detect cancer early, when it is more treatable."
FREE Mammograms and Pap Smears - Planned Parenthood - Southeast Iowa
PP doesn't recieve federal funding for abortions.
How did PP help get Obama elected?
No tax dollars are used for abortions and they are legal. Do you think a poor person is more likely or not to use birth control if it is free?
And are you prepared to pay more for social services needed for more unwanted poor kids, that the increase pregnacies would result in, if we discontinue funding to planned parenthood? Or the increased cases of cancer treatement that have been prevented with cancer screenings?
Abortions are legal.
Not sure I've heard anyone say they have anything better than PP. Planned Parenthood returns $10 in services for each government $1 investment. How do you top that?
"PROPOSED CUTS
The U.S. House recently voted to eliminate the Title X (10) Family Planning Program, which was enacted in 1970 by Republican President Richard Nixon. The program — the only one of its kind, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services — ensures that low-income families have access to contraceptive services, including supplies and information, as well as related preventive services, such as breast, testicular and cervical cancer exams.
“We’re very concerned about the federal activity going on in Congress right now to eliminate Title X,” Gonzales said. “We’ve got 10 (centers) that get Title X funding. So eliminating it would drastically affect us down here.”
“The cuts would be very devastating because right then and there, 6,000 women would not be able to get access to health care — basic, life-saving screenings for cancer, pap smears, breast exams, birth control — all of this preventive care, which saves the taxpayers money,” Gonzales said.
But eliminating the program is not the only attempt by the federal government to debunk the association, the CEO added. The Pence Amendment, which also was passed by the Republican-dominated House, seeks to strip Planned Parenthood of any federal funding by declassifying it as a Medicaid provider, he said. Congress has until April 8 to take action on both measures.
At the state level, legislators are debating whether to reauthorize a five-year program slated to end Dec. 31. The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program makes it possible for low-income women, like Henry, to receive a physical exam, Pap smear and a 12-month supply of birth control for as little as $30 to no cost, Gonzales said. Nearly 8,000 women in the county receive those benefits.
“I don’t have $150 or however much the birth control shot is, plus the doctor’s visit,” Henry said. “It’s expensive.”
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
Proponents of the proposed cuts argue eliminating the services would help reduce the deficit, but Gonzales believes otherwise.
The Texas Medicaid Women’s Health Program, which increased services offered to low-income women in Hidalgo County by 40 percent since 2007, saves the state $10 for every $1 invested, Gonzales said.
In 2008, he added, it helped save $20 million for Texas — the state with the highest number of uninsured women in the country — by cutting down on costs associated with unwanted pregnancies and by diagnosing problems before they became more advanced and expensive to treat.
It’s also less expensive to prevent a pregnancy than to pay for so-called Medicaid babies, Gonzales said.
It takes about $240 to provide a woman with preventive family planning services (birth control) for one year, according to the Texas Health and Human Services Commission.
Meanwhile, it costs more than $16,000 per woman for the delivery and first year’s care of the infant for a pregnancy covered by Medicaid — in Texas, more than half the births are covered by the public insurance program.
“It really would add to the deficit rather than reduce the deficit,” Gonzales said. “So to eliminate a program that saves money to the taxpayers, I don’t think is being responsible.”
Because some Planned Parenthood affiliates provide abortion services, Gonzales said, some advocates wish to see the national organization weakened — through funding cuts — as a way to decrease the number of abortions.
But eliminating access to birth control would only do the opposite, he argued.
The Planned Parenthood Association of Hidalgo County does not offer any abortion services, he said. And by law, funding provided by the state and federal governments cannot be used to fund abortion services.
“It’s politics, I think,” Gonzales said. “And I think they’re targeting women … because it makes no sense to go after programs that save taxpayers money.”
Planned Parenthood: Funding cuts would have major impact on local, low-income women The Monitor
Ask anyone that loves freedom and they will tell you that paying for something they have no interest to pay for and is not for them is taking their freedom to spend their money on what they want. The fact is facts look like talking points to the people not in the know.
80 years of progressive judges, yes, means nothing to me. They're either dead fools, or alive fools and either way they're fools.
Sounds like you are proving my point.
How does it save me money if those programs are unconstitutional and if people should have to treat their own problems? What is actually happening is progressive ways to fix a problem has made the connections in society painful for all.
Why is half the population in the streets dieing and where can I go and see it?
Not sure of your point here, sorry. How does this get back to what I said?
Australia gives people houses. It results in drug addicts getting homes, destroying them and then asking for another home. Look up public housing in Australia if you wish to find out more. Btw, free housing was in second new deal which FDR was pushing when he died, which was revoked by congress after his death and never went anywhere.
Do I want them to starve? I want to have a choice if I want to feed them. Get some perspective.
I want a service to be treated like a service, not a right that the people that provide it are slaves to the people that need their service. If they need it they can pay for it or figure out a way to do so. That is all I'm saying on it.
I was more talking about trains and such, but yes buses for children works as well, but than I'm against public schooling so its kind of implied by that view.
No its not..
Capitalism is what made us great, freedom is what made us great. It was what made society as far back as Greece and Rome great. What has destroyed society's since those time however is social programs and over reaching government like we have.
Do people save money for retirement the way that they should or are they dependent. It wasn't an avoidance tactic it is part of my entire point of the series of posts.
Fires should be left for the market and roads are not needed. Police however are best handled by the government. Taxes are good when handling things like national security but theft when handling personal interests of individual persons.
You could do just as much yourself, just like I could. We don't need government to keep people off the streets.
Not my point. People are angry because CEO's make millions of dollars or even billions and to the most part only because they aren't earning that much.
The mindset is the problem. Welfare programs just strength that mindset in the people. That mindset is a cancer on society and as you have just said has been for thousands of years. Its about time we as species gets past it.
Why should I care?
Considering that most things people take like the morning after pill kill of pregnancy I would say you know my answer to if they actually fund for it or not.
That doesn't fly, really. You're putting a price on a miracle.
People have got to be more careful. They don't walk in front of cars. do they?
There is very little excuse for getting pregnant and not wanting it. I'd say it's like contracting AIDS from unprotected sex in 2011. Everybody knows what can happen. Getting AIDS and getting pregnant are the same problem with protection.
This is life or death stuff. Just like the truck thing.
No matter how you feel about womens rights, do you really feel right about funding PP with tax dollars?
I keep on hearing some mis-information in some of the posts about PP..
Like 3% of PP Business is Abortions... Well This is not actually correct..
Yes 3% Medical abortions are performed in 2nd and 3rd trimester.
A majority of their abortion business is in 1st trimester using Drugs like RU-486 (mifepristone/prostaglandin) or prostaglandin to cause the fetus to naturally abort. this procedure is funded by the government and is allowed in the hyde amendment.
this brings abortions up to about 19% of their business. Now they do not provide Mammograms but they do give you referrals to go to mammogram centers. Planned Parenthood does do shady things to get procedure paid for by the feds, I know this because my daughter works for the PP center in Virginia.
Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.
As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.
Well ok. Life begins at conception. There is nothing about a growing human fetus that is any less miraclulous than a grown man. No I think the baby should be born and that we should help the parents in every way they need. LIke free day care and substantial tax help. Education, job trainning. Offer more options besides abortion.
As a libertarian, you are sending mixed signals. So lets logically ask, what gives government constitutional authority to decide when life starts, if you say they have no right to legislate? How about government has no business in a women's womb or the rights of a child before or after it is born. If government is going to stick their nose up the womb, let Americans be taxed for it.
I say no. People who want PP defunded believe so not because they are anti-women, but pro-children.
Not so at all. If they only did "women's health issues" and not abortion, I wouldn't care the slightest. You know the problem is the controversial abortion part of PP. Don't pretend that everyone who wants to defund PP wants women to get cervical cancer. That's just stupid.
It's not anti-women to want to defund PP. It's because I support womens' rights that I want to see them born. The federal government should defund every organization that provides for abortions. There are other places people can go if they need contraception or crisis pregnancy care.
I believe abortions are anti-family as it kills an unborn family member. Contraception ends at conception, and unplanned pregnancy doesn't justify an abortion even if contraception fails. A woman can go other places to receive healthcare. Many things like mammograms and other "services" of PP are not preformed there and merely refer women other places.
So the blogs say PP endorsed Obama, this is how PP got Obama elected? And the independents took heed of this endorsement and voted for Obama rather than McCain?
Of course, it saves me money and makes our country stronger.
I keep on hearing some mis-information in some of the posts about PP..
Like 3% of PP Business is Abortions... Well This is not actually correct..
Yes 3% Medical abortions are performed in 2nd and 3rd trimester.
A majority of their abortion business is in 1st trimester using Drugs like RU-486 (mifepristone/prostaglandin) or prostaglandin to cause the fetus to naturally abort. this procedure is funded by the government and is allowed in the hyde amendment.
this brings abortions up to about 19% of their business. Now they do not provide Mammograms but they do give you referrals to go to mammogram centers. Planned Parenthood does do shady things to get procedure paid for by the feds, I know this because my daughter works for the PP center in Virginia.
Planned Parenthood of Southeast Iowa advertises free mammograms provided by the state. It is apparent from the webpage that Planned Parenthood is not performing the mammogram — but you’ll also notice helpful and valuable information is not provided, either. There is no reference to the state’s webpage with detailed information on the program, or to the county administrators in charge of the program. Instead, readers are directed to contact Planned Parenthood. Instead of being a conduit of access, they are using the program to drive bodies through their doors, thus injecting themselves into the process and standing in the way of people looking for access to free mammograms.
Google “free mammograms in Iowa” and Planned Parenthood tops the search list over Mercy Medical Center, a facility that actually offers mammograms and even refers potential candidates for free mammograms to the state program’s website so they can get informed without a consultation
Yep, I do feel right. But then I don't get my "facts" from biased sites.
About those free mammograms :roll:
Pajamas Media » Planned Parenthood: Limiting Access to Mammograms
FREE Mammograms and Pap Smears - Planned Parenthood - Southeast IowaApplication forms can be filled out at all of our clinics. After your application is received, you will either be mailed a packet or contacted by phone to enroll, and we will assist you in setting up an appointment with a local medical provider for your FREE screening. Services at Planned Parenthood of Southeast Iowa may be available on the same day you enroll.
Then pro lifers should make a non profit and unbiased (don't spread lies) health care service center for women. Otherwise, you're attacking women's health care and you don't seem to care about that.
So sad that the pro-abortionists are so adament about killing babies that they bring lawsuits against those who are trying to save them.
I never said PP got him elected. They helped. They are huge supporters of his and vice versa. There are also many people who think PP is the greatest thing that ever happened for women. An endorsement from them is a "big ****ing deal" as Biden would say. He's only the second presidential candidate they have ever endorsed. It would hurt him if they withdrew their endorsement this time around.
So, like I said, PP will never be defunded as long as he has the veto pen.
Explain why it must be Planned Parenthood [/B]which has been shown to be corrupt.
There are other providers that do the same thing. Howerer, I still think Fed funding has no place in it. We are broke.
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