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Because it is?
Such as?
Ummm no they don't. Name me a single country that practices 'communism' and hasn't turned it into a ****hole. Cuba, North Korea, China. All nightmares in the political world. No dissidence allowed. No real freedom of speech or unjustified government persecution. The majority of posters here weren't alive to see Cuba go from Capitalist dream to Communist hellhole. However we're seeing it in Venezuela and most of us are already weary of what 'socialism' and 'communism' do to a society. It enslaves them for the good of everyone else. I'm not talking about making something like health care universal. I'm talking about all the other **** that 'communists' do.
Could be because you are indeed anti-American. Or are we going to pretend like none of us here have read your posts for the last 2 years?
And so this brings us to the last spin by Zeebra on the matter. Socialism and Communism being 'anti-American'. Of COURSE Socialism and Communism are anti-American. Name me a single country who's adopted true Socialism and Communism and hasnt been Anti-American or for that matter anti-West? You can't.
I NEVER draw the "anti-European" card, and sure a LOT of people here whine and tells me how bad socialism is and how much better the US is than France in particular, or Europe. I never draw an "anti-France" card, and those comments are mostly more invalid and anti-French than any of my American comments. My American comments are based on news and perspectives in politics, I am not just saying it because I want to bash America, if I wanted to do that I would just list all the negative things about the US, which I certainly do not.
If I am anti-America, then I am certainly anti-European and anti-Norwegian and anti-French as well, because I have equal opinions on those pathetic political systems as I do the pathetic political system in the US, and the pathetic ways the economies are built and managed. As for Norway, I even have worse opinions about Norwegian politics and governance than the US. The US at least does something right, Norway doesn't do ANYTHING right, the politicians I mean.
Your comments here suggest that you really have no real impressions of Americans, just gross caricatures based on...well, I don't know what you're basing it on.
But, but, but...you're missing all the good things that come with socialism and communism...
Little to no political dissent.
The government can take immediate action.
Days-long lines for food staples.
Health care for everyone.
LMAO!!!
Word!
No, you're sharing your perception of American attitudes.
Do not pretend otherwise.
I see, so you're telling us that you have a unique stranglehold on the truth about Americans because you're one of those tough guys who call another person a name while standing in front of them. Color me underwhelmed.
But you just said you were speaking the "truth." Now it's merely stating a "concern."
Equivocate, much?
But you have not established that this "reality" exists?
You've simply appealed to it as though it does exist to ask a rhetorical question that amounts to nothing more than calling Americans slaves to victimhood.
It goes so much deeper than that.
Well, yes. You "initiated this as a criticism towards someone" the "someone" being "Americans." If it was not intended to be a criticism of Americans for pulling the victim card, well, I am baffled...
Oh yeah, that's right...you were just citing a "concern."
Do you have a habit of lying to yourself?
Health care for everyone.
Nah, it really doesnt.. I am on this forum to discuss what is going on in this ****ty world, but since its mostly an American forum I mainly discuss American, European and global issues. I do not dive into national issues about Norway or Sweden or Slovenia or anything like that, because most of you dont know anything about that. So naturally I talk about American issues, and yes, I speak and understand English, and yes, I watch American news media and sources, I follow American politics and economic news.. Why is my "outside perspective", less valid than your "inside perspective"?
Being anti-Norwegian is pretty pointless since Norway is... well... Norway. :2razz:
Seriously though, what you are doing in this pol is generalizing Americans, not American politics. You are saying that we are allergic to criticisms of America, and that calling out an anti-American bias from a poster is a "card" that we play.
Saying a specific poster is Anti-Norwegian, or Anti-france is not a card to play, it is simply an exposure of their biases.
If someone is unaware of their own biases, this exposure is good for them, because all posters have biases. The one's who are aware of them will expect that card to be played against tehm..
Bitching about the fact that you get called anti-American is akin to denying that bias.
If enough people simply deny any arguments you make because they view your posts as anti-American, perhaps that is a sign that your aproach is flawed, not their reception. Perhaps you ARE guilty of over-generalizing America? Maybe that is the causal factor of the response, not some inherent flaw in the posters from the States or a flaw that Americans in general have.
If your posts apear to be a constant littany of bashing the US in general, instead of focussing primarily on teh American policies, you will have that stigma attached to you.
I mean, when you title a thread "Why I hate America" you can be assured that people are going to react with a visceral animosity towards you specifically and ignore the points you are attempting to make because of the flawed approach.
Right or wrong, this is part and parcel with democracy and the American spirit. We think of ourselves as America, and we're proud of it, even when we are ashamed of our governemnt.
This is not actually a 'socialist' concept. It is a leftist one. People shouldn't die because they can't afford to be treated.
Your perspective is not what we find invalid. It's your presentation and obsession with bringing that negative perspective to every discussion.
Are Americans "allergic" and get "seizures" if someone mentions a reality about America which isnt positive?
No, but some members of the hive mind seem to think it was wrong to liberate Iraq to comply with UN resolutions, like H32 of 687, which required Iraq not to support terrorism as a condition of cease-fire.
We are not the only ones guilty of the “lukewarm ‘liberal’ arts of war,” of Oil for Food and “Peace” for Greed on the backs of slaves, using a Wesley Clark “cork in the bottle” for ethnic cleansing of Shiites from self-determination to contain the French Whine in violation of the United Nations (of tyrants too) Charter.
Air France is so nice.
“Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.”
In various ways we Americans both liberal and otherwise attack our own often, it is the only way we can get changes.
If you vote where you live, we will listen. If you do not vote where you live, like the majority of the planet earth’s population, and have nothing but attacks on us, we will not care what you say and it will seem like an allergy when your glorious leader speaks.
I am only anti-Norwegian in the same way you people describe me as anti-American. In reality I am pro-Norwegian and pro-American.
I am not generalizing about Americans in the purpose of this thread, it was a general question!
By the same criteria many of you use to brand me anti-America, I could easily brand most of you people anti-French.
I am aware of my biases. I am very biased against what America is becoming, compared to what it was 10-20 years ago.
This thread has nothing to do with me, its a general question. I never bitch about the anti-American card, except I have perhaps mentioned it in a few posts where it was used unfairly.
My approach is definitely flawed. I am terrible at uttering my opinions in the same way I think them, not only written, but also in spoken interaction. I am a thinker, not a writer(nor talker), my writing is pretty much crappy and hastily done in most cases(because of other pressing issues in my life), but in most cases my opinions are about 75% correctly represented by what I write, then minus all the spelling and general grammatical errors I may have made that perhaps also have made it difficult to understand what I am actually saying, or really mean by what I am saying. Remember, English is only a language which fights with Swedish as being my second language(among also a handful of others I have to learn better or keep fluent).
This is an American forum... I am not bashing the US at all. I am just describing another perspective of the reality about it than most of you have, because I follow the US from the outside(and inside), while you guys follow it from the inside. I also follow many other countries on other languages in the same way!
I bet you do not remember the end of that thread... The title was meant to get reactions.. The end said something along the lines of, "but in the end I do not hate America at all"..
I usually never criticize Americans in general.. Perhaps I sometimes critisize a group of people at most(like Republicans).. I think in terms of American politics, American economy, American landmass, not just landmass.
Ahh, you haven't read about my fantasy about being spanked by a French Jewess in another thread! :2razz:
I think many of your points are salient, although with a decidedly anti-US governemnt spin.
I understand that English is not your primary language. I think that you do a damned good job overall considering, but I also think that you often come across harsher than you might mean to.
people.
Not a surprise to me, I hate the US government and the way they mismanage things, I think the US people deserve better, a better political system and a better and more stable economy.
Its just because you have no comprehension for my stands, you simply do not understand them perhaps?
I could easily say that you have no understanding of politics, economics, government and media just because I do not agree with you, but yet I keep it respectful and just try to say and debate in a nice way why I do not agree with you.. Guess I am just the bigger better man than you also.
Source that this plane is air france..
:lol::lol:
You are anti-French..
:lol::lol:
Why do you want on one hand to "comply" with UN article while on the other hand you say the UN is corrupt when you have to follow their conduct?
If I am anti-America, then I am certainly anti-European and anti-Norwegian and anti-French as well, because I have equal opinions on those pathetic political systems as I do the pathetic political system in the US, and the pathetic ways the economies are built and managed.
Based on following American politics and news for the last 15-20 or so years of my 25 year old life. After all I learned English from the age of 7, and from about the age of 15 I even followed American news and politics from the same sources as you..
I could mention that the longest line for food stamps is in America..
Its DEFINITELY a socialist concept.. What is "leftist" anyways?
Comments like this make place you right in line with the vast majority of Americans, who feel exactly the same way as you do about our government.
I know I'm in that boat. I hate the way our government has be hijacked by the two-party system as much or more than anyone I know.
You could say that but you would be wrong since I actually do understand those things. You are a ignorant fool who is so caught up in the idea of the superiority of the EU you constantly attack the current power in every one of your posts.
Dude, these don't add up. If the socialist-based European political systems are so much better then why did I not feel it necessary to learn their languages at the age of 7?
Don't get me wrong though, I am all for learning languages, as I've taken years of French, and Russian. I just think that you are not understanding what even Marx saw in Capitalism. Marx believed Capitalism to be horribly hostile and disgusting, but he recognized it as the most powerful form of economic system. His down fall, in ideology, was his underestimation of the capitalist system; as he didn't think it could re-innovate itself whenever times got difficult.
Now you are not saying anything worth commenting except.. The reality.. I can say the exact same things about you that you say about me, your so called reality is just your perception and opinions.. Why is this relevant? It isnt.
Who cares anyways?
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