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Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting

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Once again....the heat is on.

Temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal as the Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting


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calamity said:
Once again....the heat is on.

Temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal as the Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting



Not good.
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There are so many deniers who when presented evidence dismiss it without any belief or thought.

They will accept that there are companies who are looking at the loss of ice and contemplating a Northern shipping route through the now open seas.

Mitch McConnel has set forth to establish Americas right to use these newly opened seaways, but denies that any form climate change has happened.

How can someone accept that the ice is gone in one regard and then deny that the ice is gone?

You can't logically can't claim it both ways but that is what most deniers are willing to do.

100's drowned sitting in their luxury cabins on the Titanic because they refused to believe the ship could be sinking.

The Holocaust never happened, climate change is a myth, Aids either does not exist or is unrelated to HIV, evolution is a scientific impossibility, and all manner of other scientific and historical orthodoxies must be rejected.

Since 1998 the Lancet study has been repeatedly shown to have used faulty data and is based on a very small number of subjects to begin with. It has been disproven as having any scientific relevance. Using the data from that study one could say that children acquire autism from baby formula, non cotton diapers, crib enclosures, baby wipes, mineral oil, baby socks, night lights, rubber bottle nipples or dozens of other occurrences common to the 14 children "studied" in the report.

What the study determined was that vaccinations as the only common link. To ignore the 100's of millions of children vaccinated in just the year of the study who did not develop autism shows a bias to factual scientific assessment.

Deniers would rather have a near epidemic of measles in the USA. A disease that was considered eliminated. A disease that KILLED thousands of American children a year at one point in our history.
 
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Except the crowd claiming they can spot a con voted for and still support a con man. :roll:
 

Wow! That's a lot of mind wandering based on things unrelated to the topic.

Nothing at all about Big Foot?
 
calamity said:
Except the crowd claiming they can spot a con voted for and still support a con man. :roll:
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Wait! What?

I was told that when Obama was elected that the Seas would recede and the planet would heal. Also that Health insurance premiums would drop by $2500/year, but that's a different topic area.

After the miracles preformed by Obama, the dastardly Trump should be having no impact on the healed planet with the receded oceans.

What are you talking about?
 

What are you talking about?

Oh, wait. You're deflecting voting for the defector by pointing at the Black guy. I get it.
 
[h=2]Arctic Sea Ice 8000 Years Ago less Than Half Of Today’s, Yet Polar Bears Thrived![/h]By P Gosselin on 14. June 2019
At Twitter NoTricksZone’s contributor Kenneth Richard posted this paper appearing in the Journal Science in 2011.
The papers find that “summer temperatures during the HTM in North Greenland were 2° to 4°C warmer in this part of the Arctic.

Atmospheric CO2 concentrations back then of course were much lower than the historically very modest 410 ppm we have today.
 
calamity said:
Once again....the heat is on.

Temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal as the Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting



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The OP is a false claim.

[h=2]Climate Scientists Astounded…No Arctic Ice Loss In 13 Years… Early June Arctic Ice Growing![/h]By P Gosselin on 4. June 2019
Modelled data by the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) show that Arctic sea ice stopped shrinking 13 years ago, defying earlier predictions made by climate scientists and models. By Kirye and Pierre Gosselin A few days ago we showed how Antarctica’s coastal stations were in fact cooling somewhat rather than warming. This came as a surprise […]
 

Look - it's a BLOG post!
 
I don't have a subscription to WAPO, but there is also this recent report from CNN.

Arctic melt: The threat beneath the ice - CNN

The Arctic is heating up twice as fast as the global average, causing massive melting of sea ice. But while we know climate change is warming the Arctic air, there is a lot more happening under the ice that we don't fully understand.
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Since 1990 the thickness of sea ice here has decreased by a third, from about 3 meters to 2 meters, according to the Fram Strait Arctic Observatory.

The Fram Strait is where warm waters originating in Mexico are brought up by the Gulf Stream, flowing thousands of miles through the Atlantic to meet the Arctic ice edge. 80% of the ice movement in and out of the Arctic Ocean happens through here.
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"This warm water is at the surface as it comes up [from the south] and then it drops under the ice as it goes into the Arctic Ocean," says Wagner. "The layer that is under the ice has been coming up closer to the surface and melting the ice from underneath."
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As the sea ice melts, ice algae and phytoplankton are released into the sea. In the short term, this creates something of a nutrient injection that jump starts the cycle of life in the ocean.

But this April saw a record loss of sea ice across the Arctic. Less ice ultimately puts that entire cycle at risk, with a smaller nutrient injection meaning less food further up the chain.
 
Media_Truth said:
Look - it's a BLOG post!
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Do you dispute the DMI's data?



Surprise. Arctic sea ice volume has not fallen in 13 years. Data source: Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI).​
As the above chart shows, the ice has in reality even grown a bit!

The figures are based on calculations using DMI’s operational ocean and sea ice model HYCOM-CICE.
This is why today it’s more important than ever to keep the focus on the real data and not the hysterical headlines that currently dominate the hype-filled media.
And when we look at Arctic sea ice volume each year for June 1st this decade and plot it, we get the following:

June 1st Arctic ice volume on June 1st has increased so far this decade. Data: DMI.​
Lo and behold: the chart above shows that early June ice volume has trended up over the current decade.
How can anyone say the Arctic ice has been rapidly melting recently? The answer is that they can’t. Anyone claiming otherwise is just plain lying.
 
Do you realize that Greenland was once actually green? Melting ice has revealed farmland, vineyards and mines that were once active, the mines still have tools laid out where the miners left them until the next summer, but apparently the next summer did not come as the cold took over. So now it is returning to the state it was once in and everyone thinks it terrible? Yes, climate changes.
 

Did you know the earth was around over four billion years before humans appeared?
 

I don't the twisted interpretations of your biased, unscientific Blogs. I don't believe the cherry-picking that they do, and I don't believe the way they misrepresent their sources. So many times, we have all shown how they distort data and science.
 
jimbo said:
Greenland Ice Sheet Today | Surface Melt Data presented by NSIDC National snow and ice data center.

WaPo won't let me read their rag with paying. But 40 degrees seems a stretch, or an outright lie.
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I am guessing that the 40c above normal would be 40c above the average temperature over the whole year or something.

If you read the graph in there you will see that on a couple of days this made the Greenland ice sheet be in a melting mode over about half of it. Given that it gets an average of 350mm+ precipitation in the form of snow, so about 4-5 feet of snow, I don't think that would make much of a dent in the annual accumulation of ice on the ice sheet.
 

But the headline says 40 degrees above June normal.

It's possible that for one hour, or one day, the temperature can be abnormally high. That happens everywhere. A 70 degree day in February when the avg Feb temp is 30. As I said, I won't spend a penny on WaPo, so all I have is the OP. I'm not even sure what June means. This is the 15th. Is this an old article? I can find no other reference on Google, including his own blog.
 

Ah. So you don't have an answer. The data are conclusive and your claim is debunked.
 
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