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Arctic Ocean and Greenland ice sheet see record June melting

Tim the plumber said:
Which Islands?
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The Republic of Maldives, in the Indian Ocean, consists of 1,190 islands. With no ground surface higher than 9.9 feet (3 meters), and 80 percent of the land area lying below 3.3 feet (1 meter) above average sea level, the Maldives is the flattest country on Earth. The lack of topography in the Maldives makes it one of the nations most vulnerable to rising sea level and coastal flooding.

Housing and critical infrastructure in the Maldives, including five airports and 128 harbors, are concentrated along coastlines. Since the 1950s, sea level in and around the Maldives has been rising at a rate of 0.03–0.06 inches (0.8–1.6 millimeters) per year. Because of the Maldivian topography, small changes in sea level translate into extensive land inundation. More than 90 of the inhabited Maldives islands now experience annual flooding. A series of swells forced the evacuation of more than 1,600 people from their homes and damaged more than 500 housing units which have been relocated.

An average rise of 0.13 inch (3.3 millimeters) per year has been traced from 1993 to 2008 which points to the pace of sea level rise is accelerating. Migration is has become the main potential solution for Maldivians. In November 2008, the president of the Maldives announced the country would attempt to buy a new homeland and move the entire population.
 
Dick Tornado said:
The Republic of Maldives, in the Indian Ocean, consists of 1,190 islands. With no ground surface higher than 9.9 feet (3 meters), and 80 percent of the land area lying below 3.3 feet (1 meter) above average sea level, the Maldives is the flattest country on Earth. The lack of topography in the Maldives makes it one of the nations most vulnerable to rising sea level and coastal flooding.

Housing and critical infrastructure in the Maldives, including five airports and 128 harbors, are concentrated along coastlines. Since the 1950s, sea level in and around the Maldives has been rising at a rate of 0.03–0.06 inches (0.8–1.6 millimeters) per year. Because of the Maldivian topography, small changes in sea level translate into extensive land inundation. More than 90 of the inhabited Maldives islands now experience annual flooding. A series of swells forced the evacuation of more than 1,600 people from their homes and damaged more than 500 housing units which have been relocated.

An average rise of 0.13 inch (3.3 millimeters) per year has been traced from 1993 to 2008 which points to the pace of sea level rise is accelerating. Migration is has become the main potential solution for Maldivians. In November 2008, the president of the Maldives announced the country would attempt to buy a new homeland and move the entire population.
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You made a claim that islands have disappeared. Yet the Maldives is still there.
 
PoS said:
You made a claim that islands have disappeared. Yet the Maldives is still there.
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Need a reason to be concerned about rising sea level? I've got eight. A recent study found that at least eight islands in the Pacific Ocean have disappeared due to rising sea levels.

A recent study documented the effect of sea level rise, which averages 3mm per year globally but up to 12mm per year in the western Pacific in the last decade. The team found that islands in Micronesia have disappeared in recent years with little to no evidence they existed at all. Several Solomon Islands had similar fates in recent decades as they were overtaken by the sea.

Through satellite images, surveys of the area, and speaking with displaced locals, the research team pieced together the history and fate of these submerged islands. Most of the islands have either reduced in size dramatically or disappeared. The islands of Kepidau en Pehleng, Nahlap, Laiap, Nahtik, and Ros have all been submerged in recent years.

People have had to continually relocate to larger islands as smaller ones disappear. One example is the current relocation of inhabitants on the Carteret Islands of Papua New Guinea to Bougainville Island. It has become too risky to maintain permanent residence on many of the smaller western Pacific islands

While many people reading this may not be directly impacted by sea level rise, it remains a daily concern for many people living in southeast Asia.
 
Carleen said:
Definitely not good considering how much of the world is already water it is also scary.
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It's not that there's more water, it's that melt water has an alkalinity of about 19 ppm. Seawater is 460 ppm. Thanks to the wonders of osmosis, that means the sea water alkalinity drops. When it does, you get things like the great barrier reef bleaching, and the Atlantic Conveyor slowing down. That's not good for anyone.
 
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code1211 said:
Just as we breathe and get hungry, the Earth changes in rhythms and with trackable causes. Calculating geologically paced planetary changes based on momentary local data taken out of context does not seem reasonable.
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It is odd you quote a book which hails the public being denied the truth and therefore becoming convinced that the only truth is what the state feeds them. That scientific, personal or creating thought is to be looked down upon and denying fact based realities is normal.

The East Hawaiian Island is one of the newest islands in the chain and is being formed by volcanic upheaval. It is directly above a tectonic seam and was projected to reappear as it is being pushed up from beneath. All the Hawaiian Islands owe their land mass to this effect.


The hurricane that pushed the sands off the East island is not the same effect as an island being inundated by rising sea levels.
 
Hamish Howl said:
It's not that there's more water, it's that melt water has an alkalinity of about 19 ppm. Seawater is 460 ppm. Thanks to the wonders of osmosis, that means the sea water alkalinity drops. When it does, you get things like the great barrier reef bleaching, and the Atlantic Conveyor slowing down. That's not good for anyone.
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Most of the people who claim all is good and remain calm will not have the will or ability to understand what your statement means.

The drop in saline means nothing to them. A slower Atlantic Conveyor will have long term hazards that they have no concept or want to understand.

The delicate balance once lost may never be recovered and that historically leads to mass extinction. The deniers will not be convinced until they are personally threatened and then it will not be their fault but those who didn't do a good enough job in pointing it out....
 
Dick Tornado said:
Most of the people who claim all is good and remain calm will not have the will or ability to understand what your statement means.

The drop in saline means nothing to them. A slower Atlantic Conveyor will have long term hazards that they have no concept or want to understand.

The delicate balance once lost may never be recovered and that historically leads to mass extinction. The deniers will not be convinced until they are personally threatened and then it will not be their fault but those who didn't do a good enough job in pointing it out....
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Well, the GOOD news is, given the worst possible end to the conveyor thing, humans have a demonstrated ability to survive an ice age. The BAD news is, civilization doesn't. So we have a few gigadeaths, lose our civilization, which implies losing records, and a few thousand years from now we do the same dumb crap all over again.

Thing is, we're already threatened. People in Nebraska could tell us a thing or two. Hell, it's been raining too much in Arizona for the last 2-3 years. We have also really slowed down on our capability to make repairs (Paradise, CA, comes to mind).

That's the thing about climate change. It's not an event, but a process...And you can measure the scope of the progress by the drop in standard of living from the bottom up.
 
Dick Tornado said:
Need a reason to be concerned about rising sea level? I've got eight. A recent study found that at least eight islands in the Pacific Ocean have disappeared due to rising sea levels.
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Link to the study please.
 
Quote from Code1211
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, ...every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. -George Orwell

It is a shame or maybe ironic that he uses a book which lambasts individuals who accept fiction over fact.
 
Dick Tornado said:
Both Alaska and Canada have speeded up the relocation of villages and towns in low lying coastal areas due to the melting of ice sheets like the ones in Greenland. They had project a slower pace to move these towns, but a more rapid melting and resulting rise in sea levels has caused a quickened move.

Islands once inhabited in the Atlantic & Pacific have disappeared from view. Florida communities are dealing with salt water back flooding the storm sewers at high tide.
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But wait - Jack says the ice isn't melting.:shock:
 
 
Dick Tornado said:
Your more generous than I was willing to be.

I thought dragging his knuckles for awhile might get him to stand up straight....:monkeyarm
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Meh. This is the depressing **** I have to look at all day, I like to share.
 
We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
― George Orwell, 1984
 
Hamish Howl said:
Meh. This is the depressing **** I have to look at all day, I like to share.
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I'm actually dying so I don't have as much patience as I used to.

I at one time would be softer and try a more persuasive approach.

Now my tolerance for empty logic is drastically reduced.

I missed several days of posts while in the hospital and it was probably good for me.... :sinking:
 
Hamish Howl said:
Meh. This is the depressing **** I have to look at all day, I like to share.
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A hardy welcome to you.

It can be a little daunting when dealing with people who can be told the world is flat and then support that as fact.

It is refreshing to have conversations with construct behind them.
 
Media_Truth said:
But wait - Jack says the ice isn't melting.:shock:
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I remember when Jack posted something about the Polar Bears not being reduced in number. Because apparently climate change people had said that as global warming happened polar bears would be reduced in number.

Therefore no reduction in polar bears, no climate change.

So he posted this thing from this woman who said "ice is melting really fast lately, climate change is really happening, but polar bears aren't being reduced in two population in Canada/Greenland area."

So he basically posted something saying man made global warming IS HAPPENING.
 
Dick Tornado said:
The Republic of Maldives, in the Indian Ocean, consists of 1,190 islands. With no ground surface higher than 9.9 feet (3 meters), and 80 percent of the land area lying below 3.3 feet (1 meter) above average sea level, the Maldives is the flattest country on Earth. The lack of topography in the Maldives makes it one of the nations most vulnerable to rising sea level and coastal flooding.

Housing and critical infrastructure in the Maldives, including five airports and 128 harbors, are concentrated along coastlines. Since the 1950s, sea level in and around the Maldives has been rising at a rate of 0.03–0.06 inches (0.8–1.6 millimeters) per year. Because of the Maldivian topography, small changes in sea level translate into extensive land inundation. More than 90 of the inhabited Maldives islands now experience annual flooding. A series of swells forced the evacuation of more than 1,600 people from their homes and damaged more than 500 housing units which have been relocated.

An average rise of 0.13 inch (3.3 millimeters) per year has been traced from 1993 to 2008 which points to the pace of sea level rise is accelerating. Migration is has become the main potential solution for Maldivians. In November 2008, the president of the Maldives announced the country would attempt to buy a new homeland and move the entire population.
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See the thing is that whilst all that sounds so bad the real situation in the Maldives is that the lowest price for property is of the order of over £1,000,000 for an off plan, yet to be built, studio apartment. OK, built for the foreign market and is on stilts in the sea with a small jetty back to the beach, very nice etc but...

With prices such as those the cost of adding a little to the land will be tiny in comparison to the champagne budget.

Also, the international community has decided that fishing ownership rights go out to 200 miles. This gives the Maldives and all such islands a massive income from licensing these rights. Especially if correctly managed such as Iceland does.

Recently we have had papers on here showing that in fact all these tiny coral atolls are either stable or increasing in land area. This is not altogether unexpected as the dynamic of them is that the coral builds the island as the sea mountain it is on slowly sinks into the ocean floor. It is a race between the two as to which happens faster. The present condition of increased CO2 and increased nitrogen both greatly increase the rate of growth of the coral. This will grow faster than 3mm per year. The levels of sediment in the ocean water are also increased by human activity. This allows more sand to be blown onto the beaches.

Given all these factors I can't see any place disappearing as long as we have a buoyant world economy.
 
Dick Tornado said:
Need a reason to be concerned about rising sea level? I've got eight. A recent study found that at least eight islands in the Pacific Ocean have disappeared due to rising sea levels.

A recent study documented the effect of sea level rise, which averages 3mm per year globally but up to 12mm per year in the western Pacific in the last decade. The team found that islands in Micronesia have disappeared in recent years with little to no evidence they existed at all. Several Solomon Islands had similar fates in recent decades as they were overtaken by the sea.

Through satellite images, surveys of the area, and speaking with displaced locals, the research team pieced together the history and fate of these submerged islands. Most of the islands have either reduced in size dramatically or disappeared. The islands of Kepidau en Pehleng, Nahlap, Laiap, Nahtik, and Ros have all been submerged in recent years.

People have had to continually relocate to larger islands as smaller ones disappear. One example is the current relocation of inhabitants on the Carteret Islands of Papua New Guinea to Bougainville Island. It has become too risky to maintain permanent residence on many of the smaller western Pacific islands

While many people reading this may not be directly impacted by sea level rise, it remains a daily concern for many people living in southeast Asia.
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Please link to that study.
 
Hamish Howl said:
It's not that there's more water, it's that melt water has an alkalinity of about 19 ppm. Seawater is 460 ppm. Thanks to the wonders of osmosis, that means the sea water alkalinity drops. When it does, you get things like the great barrier reef bleaching, and the Atlantic Conveyor slowing down. That's not good for anyone.
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Alkalinity is generally measured in pH.
 
Dick Tornado said:
Most of the people who claim all is good and remain calm will not have the will or ability to understand what your statement means.

The drop in saline means nothing to them. A slower Atlantic Conveyor will have long term hazards that they have no concept or want to understand.

The delicate balance once lost may never be recovered and that historically leads to mass extinction. The deniers will not be convinced until they are personally threatened and then it will not be their fault but those who didn't do a good enough job in pointing it out....
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How much smaller than the North Atlantic conveyor do you think the entire melt in summer off Greenland is? What do you think the ratio is?

Do you understand that the ocean current is driven by the wind. The wind will continue to blow.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Well, the GOOD news is, given the worst possible end to the conveyor thing, humans have a demonstrated ability to survive an ice age. The BAD news is, civilization doesn't. So we have a few gigadeaths, lose our civilization, which implies losing records, and a few thousand years from now we do the same dumb crap all over again.

Thing is, we're already threatened. People in Nebraska could tell us a thing or two. Hell, it's been raining too much in Arizona for the last 2-3 years. We have also really slowed down on our capability to make repairs (Paradise, CA, comes to mind).

That's the thing about climate change. It's not an event, but a process...And you can measure the scope of the progress by the drop in standard of living from the bottom up.
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The North Atlantic conveyor will not stop as the wind that drives it will not stop.

Arizona has a weather pattern, a climate, that is fairly variable. It always has been. And too much? Not just an improvement which will, if it keeps up, be a good thing?

The city of Paradise where people built their homes with trees right next to the house, had zero fire fighting equipment themselves, in a forest that gets forest fires as a natural event from time to time and saw no issue with that have little sympathy from me. If you live in such a place you cannot have a tree within 50m of your house. All underbrush or scrub cannot be within 20m. You need a paved zone around your house of 3m. You need to have a pool or pond and a petrol driven pump which will be able to spray 20m3 of water around your property in the hour before the fire gets to you. And an hour after. You and your neighbors need to be in a fire defense force so that when the fire comes your way you all act to fight it and save each others house. One of your pumps will not be working, help out.
 
Dick Tornado said:
I have given you enough information to look it up.

Do some research it is often good for the brain.
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You made the claim, so you ought to back it up. Thats basic debating 101. The fact that you claimed the Maldvies was already sunk when its still around shows you arent very honest.

Hamish Howl said:
Five Pacific islands disappear as sea levels rise - BBC News

That's from 2016, BBC.

Three islands disappeared in the past year. Is climate change to blame?

That's from a few days ago, NBC.

Identifying and assessing evidence for recent shoreline change attributable to uncommonly rapid sea-level rise in Pohnpei, Federated States of Micronesia, Northwest Pacific Ocean | SpringerLink

The study itself.
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Your first link is about uninhabited islands. The second one is pure hyperbole and is short on facts. The third doesnt really say anything.
 
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