Arctic ice cap 'to disappear in future summers'

Orius said:

Good job Middleground... but I fear you're wasting your efforts.

Governments are already forming policy based on the issues of climate change, all the while the anti-Gore peons are too busy denying reality just so they can make a dig at their political enemies. You can't change the minds of partisans.

The realists will continue doing their work on the global stage. We don't have to worry about things not getting done because fortunately the majority are sane in this case.

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Middleground said:

Wrong.

2005 is now considered the warmest year.



NASA - 2005 Warmest Year in Over a Century

Apart from 2005, no year has registered a higher global temperature than 1998... since official temperature recordings began in the late 18's. So, yeah, compared to that freaky El Nino year, all else seems lesser (apart from 2005). Having said all of that, it does not mean that we are cooling. How can we be, when 7 of the last 10 years are in the top 10 hottest years since the late 18's??? There's plenty there, including this snippet:

The University of East Anglia and the Met Office's Hadley Centre have released preliminary global temperature figures for 2007, which show the top 11 warmest years all occurring in the last 13 years. The provisional global figure for 2007 using data from January to November, currently places the year as the seventh warmest on records dating back to 1850.
Other remarkable global climatic events recorded so far in 2007 include record-low Arctic sea ice extent, which led to first recorded opening of the Canadian Northwest Passage; the relatively small Antarctic Ozone Hole; development of La Niña in the central and eastern Equatorial Pacific; and devastating floods, drought and storms in many places around the world.

Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years

More here:

Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Graphs




I'd love to debate that, but we (collectively) can even agree that warming is real. Despite the strong and overwhelming evidence.



First time I have read that from you (unless I missed it).



I don't know. Some think that if it's snowing outside their window, then global warming is a bunch of bull.



You stand corrected.

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Ethereal said:

A cooling trend which proceeds one of the hottest years on record will invariably contain the second, third, fourth, etc. hottest years; that doesn't preclude the possibility of a cooling trend.

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You could be right though, the BBC climate experts, the NASA astronaut / geophysicist, and the pro-AGW University professors could be totally mistaken…:lol:

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Ethereal said:

Yea, the BBC, a NASA astronaut, and pro-AGW University professors...such partisans.

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Orius said:

Good job Middleground... but I fear you're wasting your efforts.

Governments are already forming policy based on the issues of climate change, all the while the anti-Gore peons are too busy denying reality just so they can make a dig at their political enemies. You can't change the minds of partisans.

The realists will continue doing their work on the global stage. We don't have to worry about things not getting done because fortunately the majority are sane in this case.

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Gibberish said:

Arctic ice cap 'to disappear in future summers' - Yahoo! News

Studies like this prove there is some level of global warming occurring in the world. What isn't proven is if this global warming is due to human interventions or just the natural cycle of the planet.

It will be interesting to see exactly what effect the melting of the polar ice caps has on world wide weather and if those climate changes can in fact be linked back to he melting.

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Jerry said:

We already died from global cooling in the 80s.

Those few left alive died from bird-flue/SARS/west-nile/H1N1.

Only Chuck Norris is left.

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Middleground said:

Oh yeah??? Where did you read that bit of scientific fact?

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1998, an El Nino year, was hot. But the thing about an El Nino, is that a La Nina usually follows. A La Nina is a trend caused by cooling oceans that usually lasts for 1-2 years. For instance, we experience an El Nino in 1994 and 1995, while in 2007 and 2008, we experienced a La Nina.

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I didn't make any of it up, and I am surprise that you think it's my work. It is not. My opinion is based-on hard... *ahem*... cold facts from legitimate sources. The globe is warming... the graph keep on going upwards.

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