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8/7/18
A federal judge in California has ruled that a confidential messaging app must release the identity of a user who is accused of helping plan violence at a white nationalist rally last year in Charlottesville, Va. The unnamed woman is one of dozens of people accused of using the gamer chat app Discord to organize violence at that event. Lawyers representing victims of that violence have subpoenaed the app for more information on those conversations. But the woman, known as "Jane Doe" in the court case and "kristall.night" on the app, attempted to quash the subpoena. Chief Magistrate Judge Joseph Spero of the Northern District of California has allowed the subpoena to move forward, ruling that the user's right to anonymity is outweighed by the importance of investigating a possible violent conspiracy. But the real name of the user should be revealed only to a small circle of people involved in the court case, Spero said. Doe's lawyer, Marc Randazza, tells The Washington Post that he has not decided whether to appeal.
Judge: App Can't Hide Identity Of Woman Accused In Planning Charlottesville Rally
Members of white nationalist groups and neo-Nazis at a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Good. Conspiracy to commit violence should not be allowed to hide within a HTTPS app.
Related: Subpoena for app called ‘Discord’ could unmask identities of Charlottesville white supremacists
Looks like some sort of medieval re-enactors convention........wtf happened to America? Left will blame right and right will blame left. If you show up with helmets and shields, there will be blood...........
I'm concerned by this quote: "a possible violent conspiracy." So if I'm understanding this, there is no proof that she conspired to commit violence. Why should she lose her anonymity without any proof of wrongdoing?
I see no problem going to a protest with helmets and shields given Antifa's history.
There was enough proof presented to satisfy a judge and obtain a subpoena.
Of course you don’t......
People who have a reasonable suspicion that they're going to be attacked shouldn't take precautions to protect themselves?
Maybe stay home?
In other words, shut up and don't practice your constitutionally guaranteed 1st amendment rights?
Of course you don’t......
Maybe stay home?
Threat of violence curtailing free speech. You support this?
No, put your hockey gear on and show up at the counter rally and exercise the hell outta your 1st A rights.
Don’t whine if you get “stove in!”
Weird, because the article still refers to it as a "possible violent conspiracy." I'm skeptical.
And let's look at the lead lawyer for the plantiffs, Roberta Kaplan. She argued in front of the Supreme Court to overturn DOMA. She's also a lesbian. Do you think there might be some political motivation in what she's doing?
It seems pretty clear that this is nothing more than malicious prosecution, and I'd like to see Kaplan go down if nothing is found.
You are going to need to be more specific. If you go some place expecting trouble, you are probably going to find it.
Lol. Your bigotry knows no bounds.
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No, put your hockey gear on and show up at the counter rally and exercise the hell outta your 1st A rights. Don’t whine if you get “stove in!”
Judge: App Can't Hide Identity Of Woman Accused In Planning Charlottesville Rally
Members of white nationalist groups and neo-Nazis at a rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Good. Conspiracy to commit violence should not be allowed to hide within a HTTPS app.
Related: Subpoena for app called ‘Discord’ could unmask identities of Charlottesville white supremacists
The woman, known as "Jane Doe" in the court case and "kristall.night" on the app, attempted to quash the subpoena [that sought to remove the cloak of anonymity, but the judge] has allowed the subpoena to move forward, ruling that the user's right to anonymity is outweighed by the importance of investigating a possible violent conspiracy. But the real name of the user should be revealed only to a small circle of people involved in the court case.
Doe's lawyer, Marc Randazza, told the [Washington Post] that the subpoena was seeking to "out" members of the alt-right, saying that in today's political environment, "you have to be hounded out of your apartment, out of your job, out of whatever it is you have, if you have the audacity to have an unpopular political belief."
Cowardice rightly understood begins with selfishness and ends with shame.
-- José Rizal, Noli Me Tángere
- Red:
Again we are given a demonstrable manifestation of the cravenness of racists, wrongdoers and their abettors.
Blue:
I think the judge should have required the woman's name and role as organizer be posted on a billboard in the city of her current residence.
I don't have a procedural problem with the woman's having availed herself of the app and it so happens that the app masked her identity. I have a problem with her, upon being called to account for the actions she incited and/or organized using the app, rather than stand-up and "own" her actions and role, defending herself in civil court.
Pink:
Seriously? I'm going to consign that remark to the attorney merely doing his job.
Yes! If one who would be a leader of others having unpopular political beliefs such as one does and that one is of a mind to with them express, both having and expressing it may have consequences and facing them is among the forms of courage one must have. Sometimes the consequences include being "hounded out of your apartment [or]...job." In other instances, that out of which one may be "hounded" is more of the "whatever" genre.
Ask the Kennedys, Kings, Evers, Tills, Milks, countless men and women, along with all the American leaders who had the "audacity" to unpopularly believe was that a whole host of classes of folks should be treated in the same manners as (apparently) heterosexual white males and, in turn, express their unpopular belief by leading efforts to thus aid those classes of individuals in obtaining such treatment and consideration....Ask the families and friends of the ones who are now dead for having their unpopular beliefs and airing them.
Did those leaders know the risks they were assuming by expressing their unpopular beliefs? Goddamned right they did. White nationalists have exactly the same ability to express themselves, and fittingly, they must face the same risks. So, yes, "Ms. Doe," upon having her identity and role as a leader of a white supremacists' event revealed, may like so many before her have to bear the same risks as any other social leader.
One of those risks is the manifested disapprobation of other citizens who don't share her view. One'd hope that no physical harm befall "Ms. Doe" as it did the likes of Moore, Milk, King, and Kennedy. Lesser consequences are, however, just part of the game. Eggs and cake, you know...In a word, I was too cowardly to do what I knew to be right, as I had been too cowardly to avoid doing what I knew to be wrong.
-- Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
Comply with the subpoena or face the consequences.
Don't white nationalists and neo-Nazis believe in the law?
We should all believe in the law upheld without partiality. This is clearly a case of a malicious prosecutor using this lawsuit as a means to dox political opposition.
No. It's uncovering a conspiracy to foment violence. Criminal actions need to be brought out into the light of day.
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