Any 9mm can be rechambered for the far more powerful 356 TSW

[prison/con.net]

problem is, even Starline no longer makes the brass. The casings can still be bought, if you search diligently online. I got 200 of them for $50, counting shipping. That's enough to last me 20 years, even if I never reload a case more than the initial time. I can practice with the 9mm luger barrel. So the only firing of 356 ammo is hunting of deer and coyotes. With a call, tree stand, folding blind, camo, scent-maskers, etc, it can be done successfully!

By creating a large, conical base in the solid copper hollowpoint bullet, it is safe to load the 45 gr bullet to 2200 fps in the 3" barrel of a pocket 9mm, using the .100" longer, much stronger case of the 356TSW rd. The factory load is of no value. It's by using a very much shorter, much lighter bullet that you gain something. Ie, the same 500 ft lbs of power shown by a 4" barreled, 9" long 357 Mag revolver, with 9x18 makarov recoil, in a 6"x 4.5", 15 oz pocket 9mm.

the 357 Sig can be handloaded to the same levels of performance, but the increased diameter of the case means that you lose one rd of mag capacity. You do, however, gain feeding reliability, due to the bottlenecked cartridge and you gain ready access to cartidge cases for reloading. Any gun, for which the factory offers the model in both .40 and 9mm, can have the 9mm barrel rechambered to 357 Sig.

 

[TurtleDude]

problem is, even Starline no longer makes the brass. The casings can still be bought, if you search diligently online. I got 200 of them for $50, counting shipping. That's enough to last me 20 years, even if I never reload a case more than the initial time. I can practice with the 9mm luger barrel. So the only firing of 356 ammo is hunting of deer and coyotes. With a call, tree stand, folding blind, camo, scent-maskers, etc, it can be done successfully!

By creating a large, conical base in the solid copper hollowpoint bullet, it is safe to load the 45 gr bullet to 2200 fps in the 3" barrel of a pocket 9mm, using the .100" longer, much stronger case of the 356TSW rd. The factory load is of no value. It's by using a very much shorter, much lighter bullet that you gain something. Ie, the same 500 ft lbs of power shown by a 4" barreled, 9" long 357 Mag revolver, with 9x18 makarov recoil, in a 6"x 4.5", 15 oz pocket 9mm.

the 357 Sig can be handloaded to the same levels of performance, but the increased diameter of the case means that you lose one rd of mag capacity. You do, however, gain feeding reliability, due to the bottlenecked cartridge and you gain ready access to cartidge cases for reloading. Any gun, for which the factory offers the model in both .40 and 9mm, can have the 9mm barrel rechambered to 357 Sig.

the Team Smith and Wesson was a variation of the 9X21 I used to shoot in Open back in the Pre-9mm Major days. you can still get the 9x23 stuff which is fine. and the 38 super is essentially the same and still easy to get. its a toss up whether the 9mm Major (my race gun, the CZ Czechmate is set up for 9mm major) or the 38 super (mainly the STIs) is the most popular open USPSA gun now.

so who cares? the 356 TSW went the way of the Israeli action round

no loss

 

[beerftw]

the Team Smith and Wesson was a variation of the 9X21 I used to shoot in Open back in the Pre-9mm Major days. you can still get the 9x23 stuff which is fine. and the 38 super is essentially the same and still easy to get. its a toss up whether the 9mm Major (my race gun, the CZ Czechmate is set up for 9mm major) or the 38 super (mainly the STIs) is the most popular open USPSA gun now.

so who cares? the 356 TSW went the way of the Israeli action round

no loss

i could never see the ops reasoning on using an almost non existent round vs just buying a more powerfull handgun.rechambering and buying shells that require an intergalactic search to find what little is remaining seems pointless.

ofcourse i know someone with a revolver like that.i forget what the exact size was,but it was around 41 cal,it was extremely popular during the 1890's-1920's then fades away when smokeless powder became norm and better rounds became available.he cant even find reproduction rounds,as most sas shooters prefer carts for the 45 long colt,whereas his once widespread round is not popular for reproductions,no one will make them.

 

[TurtleDude]

i could never see the ops reasoning on using an almost non existent round vs just buying a more powerfull handgun.rechambering and buying shells that require an intergalactic search to find what little is remaining seems pointless.

ofcourse i know someone with a revolver like that.i forget what the exact size was,but it was around 41 cal,it was extremely popular during the 1890's-1920's then fades away when smokeless powder became norm and better rounds became available.he cant even find reproduction rounds,as most sas shooters prefer carts for the 45 long colt,whereas his once widespread round is not popular for reproductions,no one will make them.

the 356 TSW was invented in the double stack early days of USPSA/

the first USPSA guns were 45 ACP which made Major easily-that was a 175 power factor meaning a 175 Grain bullet going 1000 FPS or a 200 grain bullet going slightly slower

the problem is-a 45 ACP can only hold about 8-maybe 10 rounds and the first race guns were 8 shot 1911s

so someone came up with the idea of loading 38 Super to major and you got one more shot and the lighter faster bullets-once compensators became popular, had less recoil. Then people in europe started loading 9mm to major power but in the USA that was banned as unsafe. (now the power factor is lower-16- World wide, 165 in the USA and 9mm is more popular) some believed the 38 super didn't work as well in double stack magazines like those used in the 18 shot or higher Para Ordnance, Caspians or STIs and so we had rimless versions of the 38 super like the 9x23 dillon, or the Team Smith and wesson round

I used to shoot 9X21 which only required minor modification to a 9mm barrel to work. its obsolete now as is the 356 TSW- I shot a 115 grain bullet that was going well over 1600 FPS

a normal 9mm goes about 1150

 

[prison/con.net]

guess you don't read too well. can you get a POCKET gun in the 9x23, etc? no you cannot.

 

[TurtleDude]

guess you don't read too well. can you get a POCKET gun in the 9x23, etc? no you cannot.

I can get one in 9x21 if I want. and a 40. listen dude, you aren't ever going to post ANYTHING on guns that I haven't seen before. And I can legally own a firearm and legally carry one. and modern 9mm rounds are plenty good for any sort of work I'd use a pocket rocket for

 

[prison/con.net]

so what, punk? you think that you're the only one here? arrogant pos

 

[prison/con.net]

I notice, and so does everyone ELSE, that YOu aint posting all this info. You're far too lazy for that (IF you really know it, which we all DOUBT)

 

[tech30528]

I load a 124 grain hard cast lead for 9mm on 7.7 grains of Blue Dot and get 1340 fps from a subcompact, and 1640 fps from a 16 inch barrel carbine. That's 837 ft/lbs of muzzle energy, and I make them for about 9 cents a round.

 

[TurtleDude]

I load a 124 grain hard cast lead for 9mm on 7.7 grains of Blue Dot and get 1340 fps from a subcompact, and 1640 fps from a 16 inch barrel carbine. That's 837 ft/lbs of muzzle energy, and I make them for about 9 cents a round.

my standard competition load is a 124 grain "black bullet" cast projectile with 3.7 grains of tite-group. makes USPSA minor, and operates all my families guns reliably without being too hot since its mainly speed shooting we do. I only use commercial ammo in self defense weapons

 

[tech30528]

BTW that round is 684 ft/lbs ME from the subcompact pistol. I guess I just don't see the point in loading an epoxy bullet that delivers less.

 

[tech30528]

my standard competition load is a 124 grain "black bullet" cast projectile with 3.7 grains of tite-group. makes USPSA minor, and operates all my families guns reliably without being too hot since its mainly speed shooting we do. I only use commercial ammo in self defense weapons

Agreed on the commercial ammo. Don't seed some dirtbag lawyer trying to make self defense look premeditated.

 

[TurtleDude]

Agreed on the commercial ammo. Don't seed some dirtbag lawyer trying to make self defense look premeditated.

if your local LEO agency uses it-that's a good thing to copy

 

[SMTA]

problem is, even Starline no longer makes the brass. The casings can still be bought, if you search diligently online. I got 200 of them for $50, counting shipping. That's enough to last me 20 years, even if I never reload a case more than the initial time. I can practice with the 9mm luger barrel. So the only firing of 356 ammo is hunting of deer and coyotes. With a call, tree stand, folding blind, camo, scent-maskers, etc, it can be done successfully!

By creating a large, conical base in the solid copper hollowpoint bullet, it is safe to load the 45 gr bullet to 2200 fps in the 3" barrel of a pocket 9mm, using the .100" longer, much stronger case of the 356TSW rd. The factory load is of no value. It's by using a very much shorter, much lighter bullet that you gain something. Ie, the same 500 ft lbs of power shown by a 4" barreled, 9" long 357 Mag revolver, with 9x18 makarov recoil, in a 6"x 4.5", 15 oz pocket 9mm.

the 357 Sig can be handloaded to the same levels of performance, but the increased diameter of the case means that you lose one rd of mag capacity. You do, however, gain feeding reliability, due to the bottlenecked cartridge and you gain ready access to cartidge cases for reloading. Any gun, for which this a fool/e factory offers the model in both .40 and 9mm, can have the 9mm barrel rechambered to 357 Sig.

Anyone who uses calibers not readily available for SD is a fool.

Anyone who carries reloads for SD is a fool.

Anyone who gets reload / caliber information from anonymous clowns on the internet is a fool.

9mm cannot be re-chambered to .357 Sig -this is quite telling and shows total ignorance of the caliber, and the OP in general.

 

[US Conservative]

problem is, even Starline no longer makes the brass. The casings can still be bought, if you search diligently online. I got 200 of them for $50, counting shipping. That's enough to last me 20 years, even if I never reload a case more than the initial time. I can practice with the 9mm luger barrel. So the only firing of 356 ammo is hunting of deer and coyotes. With a call, tree stand, folding blind, camo, scent-maskers, etc, it can be done successfully!

By creating a large, conical base in the solid copper hollowpoint bullet, it is safe to load the 45 gr bullet to 2200 fps in the 3" barrel of a pocket 9mm, using the .100" longer, much stronger case of the 356TSW rd. The factory load is of no value. It's by using a very much shorter, much lighter bullet that you gain something. Ie, the same 500 ft lbs of power shown by a 4" barreled, 9" long 357 Mag revolver, with 9x18 makarov recoil, in a 6"x 4.5", 15 oz pocket 9mm.

the 357 Sig can be handloaded to the same levels of performance, but the increased diameter of the case means that you lose one rd of mag capacity. You do, however, gain feeding reliability, due to the bottlenecked cartridge and you gain ready access to cartidge cases for reloading. Any gun, for which the factory offers the model in both .40 and 9mm, can have the 9mm barrel rechambered to 357 Sig.

Its easier to "gain" energy by increasing velocity more than mass (m*v2), however velocity isn't the only factor in terminal ballistics. Things like momentum and bullet design are also critical.

 

[TurtleDude]

Anyone who uses calibers not readily available for SD is a fool.

Anyone who carries reloads for SD is a fool.

Anyone who gets reload / caliber information from anonymous clowns on the internet is a fool.

9mm cannot be re-chambered to .357 Sig -this is quite telling and shows total ignorance of the caliber, and the OP in general.

when I shot for a race gun maker I signed a contract. part of the contract was not telling people what loads we used to get a 9x21 to make major back in the 175 PF days