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access to certain kinds of weapons have to be reformed.

What kinds of weapons are those?

Access to guns by youth, mentally ill people. criminals, is the issue.

That's why we have safe storage laws and background checks.

Gun crimes start with guns. Do not be ridiculous. A gun crime is a gun crime because of the gun being used. This idiot expression that guns do not commit crime, people do, is assinine. Gun crimes are committed by people with guns otherwise they would not be gun crimes.

Is being raped at knifepoint "less bad" than being raped at gunpoint?

Guns, Access to guns by the mentally ill, underage, criminals, that is the issue in regards to GUN crimes.

Is a murder victim "more dead" if they are killed with a gun instead of with a knife?

You engage in a fallacy because the idea of any kind of gun regulation makes you think it restricts your ownership rights.

I observed no fallacy in his post. Can you point it out to me?

At any rate, the only point of gun control is to maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

You do not give a damn about any rights but your own

Since gun control is not even about trying to help people or save lives, blocking gun control does no harm any other person.

If you really do feel for the dead stop pretending guns were not used and people who should not have had such guns got access to them and used them to kill children.

Fake news. Gun control has nothing to do with caring about victims.

 

[Mika-El]

`1-What kinds of weapons are those?



2-That's why we have safe storage laws and background checks.



3-Is being raped at knifepoint "less bad" than being raped at gunpoint?



4-Is a murder victim "more dead" if they are killed with a gun instead of with a knife?



5-I observed no fallacy in his post. Can you point it out to me?

6-At any rate, the only point of gun control is to maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.


7-Since gun control is not even about trying to help people or save lives, blocking gun control does no harm any other person.

8-Fake news. Gun control has nothing to do with caring about victims.

I have no'd your responses to make it faster to respond.

In regards to 1;

Assault Weapons and High-Capacity Magazines Must Be Banned

Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines are weapons of war that have no place in America’s communities and should be banned.

www.americanprogress.org

In regards to 2; the issue is not storage laws, it are those states with weak storage laws that can be improved;

In regards to 3 an 4; your questions and statements have nothing to do with improving gun regulations to prevent gun theft and access to weapons by the wrong people or access to specific types of guns that facilitate mass murder;

In regards to 5; you observe no fallacy because you agree with the stated fallacy which you repeat in 3 and 4 and that is the fallacy that guns do not kill people, people do-the type of weapon is not relevant. That is your fallacy. People WITH GUNS kill people WITH GUNS. Your trying to deflect from gun crimes and the issue of access to guns by arguing other weapons kill does not erase the causal link and cause and effect from access to GUNS in regards to GUN crimes. The more you repeat it and ask puerile questions as you did in 3 and 4 that do not prove your point, the more you show the idiocy of the fallacy you try present.

6-No again you spew out your own subjective projection as to the intent of such regulations. The point of such regulations are to make it harder and less likely for youth, thieves, mentally ill and criminals getting access to weapons and contrary to your fallacy where you try deflect from gun access it is possible to balance the right of someone to own a gun and regulations to help lesson access to weapons by youth, the mentally ill, thieves, criminals. The two are not exclusive and opposed to one another as your fallacy that any gun regulation will take away your right to gun ownership.

7-Of course it is. By cutting down the likelihood of a mentally unstable person, thief, criminal getting their hands on a gun and in some cases specific types of assault rifles will cut down on gun crimes (mostly done with hand guns) and mass murders (mostly down with AR assault weapons).Many gun owners believe more gun regulations as to training as to the use of weapons, cleaning and storing them more safely to prevent theft of them or access to them by mentally ill, thieves and criminals as well as better registration to be able to quickly trace weapons that have been stolen to curtail black market sales of them. They also as I argue have no problems with banning certain kinds of bullets, rifles and guns. The fact you disagree and believe this is a simplistic idiotic black or white issue (any gun regulation is a threat to gun owners and will take their gun away) is only your opinion.

8. Parroting Trumpisms to label anything you disagree with as "fake" only shows your self of entitlement and lack of respect for any legal rights or safety rights of others. Your fake news name calling simply shows that anyone or anything that does not serve your sense of entitlement does not have the right to exist. That is malignant narcissism. It shows you don't giver a flying phack about anyone or anything but your rights.

This issue deals with NOT just you. It deals with the safety and need cut do everything we can to protect children, the vulnerable and innocent, from thieves, criminals, mentally unstable people with weapons as well as mentally ill people who use weapons to commit suicide.

 

[RF667799]

I have no'd your responses to make it faster to respond.

In regards to 1;

Assault Weapons and High-Capacity Magazines Must Be Banned

Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines are weapons of war that have no place in America’s communities and should be banned.

www.americanprogress.org

You found an opinion online that agrees with yours. Will wonders never cease?

In regards to 2; the issue is not storage laws, it are those states with weak storage laws that can be improved;

In regards to 3 an 4; your questions and statements have nothing to do with improving gun regulations to prevent gun theft and access to weapons by the wrong people or access to specific types of guns that facilitate mass murder;

In regards to 5; you observe no fallacy because you agree with the stated fallacy which you repeat in 3 and 4 and that is the fallacy that guns do not kill people, people do-the type of weapon is not relevant. That is your fallacy. People WITH GUNS kill people WITH GUNS. Your trying to deflect from gun crimes and the issue of access to guns by arguing other weapons kill does not erase the causal link and cause and effect from access to GUNS in regards to GUN crimes. The more you repeat it and ask puerile questions as you did in 3 and 4 that do not prove your point, the more you show the idiocy of the fallacy you try present.

6-No again you spew out your own subjective projection as to the intent of such regulations. The point of such regulations are to make it harder and less likely for youth, thieves, mentally ill and criminals getting access to weapons and contrary to your fallacy where you try deflect from gun access it is possible to balance the right of someone to own a gun and regulations to help lesson access to weapons by youth, the mentally ill, thieves, criminals. The two are not exclusive and opposed to one another as your fallacy that any gun regulation will take away your right to gun ownership.

7-Of course it is. By cutting down the likelihood of a mentally unstable person, thief, criminal getting their hands on a gun and in some cases specific types of assault rifles will cut down on gun crimes (mostly done with hand guns) and mass murders (mostly down with AR assault weapons).Many gun owners believe more gun regulations as to training as to the use of weapons, cleaning and storing them more safely to prevent theft of them or access to them by mentally ill, thieves and criminals as well as better registration to be able to quickly trace weapons that have been stolen to curtail black market sales of them. They also as I argue have no problems with banning certain kinds of bullets, rifles and guns. The fact you disagree and believe this is a simplistic idiotic black or white issue (any gun regulation is a threat to gun owners and will take their gun away) is only your opinion.

8. Parroting Trumpisms to label anything you disagree with as "fake" only shows your self of entitlement and lack of respect for any legal rights or safety rights of others. Your fake news name calling simply shows that anyone or anything that does not serve your sense of entitlement does not have the right to exist. That is malignant narcissism. It shows you don't giver a flying phack about anyone or anything but your rights.

This issue deals with NOT just you. It deals with the safety and need cut do everything we can to protect children, the vulnerable and innocent, from thieves, criminals, mentally unstable people with weapons as well as mentally ill people who use weapons to commit suicide.

Can you reduce the magical claims, froth, and denial of reality in order to get that rant into some semblance of coherence?

 

[Toggle Almendro]

I have no'd your responses to make it faster to respond.

Interesting system. I think I can follow it.

In regards to 1;

Assault Weapons and High-Capacity Magazines Must Be Banned

Assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines are weapons of war that have no place in America’s communities and should be banned.

www.americanprogress.org

That website proposes maliciously outlawing a bunch of ordinary hunting rifles for no reason while lying and pretending that they are outlawing assault weapons and weapons of war.

The reason why they want to violate people's civil liberties for no reason is because they hate America and hate the American people.

If is not acceptable for America-hating leftists to violate people's civil liberties.

In regards to 2; the issue is not storage laws, it are those states with weak storage laws that can be improved;

Okay.

In regards to 3 an 4; your questions and statements have nothing to do with improving gun regulations to prevent gun theft and access to weapons by the wrong people or access to specific types of guns that facilitate mass murder;

True.

3&4 address an entirely different subject, which is the strange focus on "gun deaths" as if that was some kind of critical statistic with some sort of meaning.

In regards to 5; you observe no fallacy because you agree with the stated fallacy which you repeat in 3 and 4 and that is the fallacy that guns do not kill people, people do-the type of weapon is not relevant. That is your fallacy.

There is no fallacy there.

It makes no difference if someone is murdered with a gun or with some other kind of weapon. They are still dead.

It makes no difference if someone is raped at gunpoint or knifepoint. They've still been raped.

People WITH GUNS kill people WITH GUNS.

So what?

Your trying to deflect from gun crimes and the issue of access to guns by arguing other weapons kill

"Pointing out that an issue is fictitious" is not deflecting from that issue. It is directly confronting it.

does not erase the causal link and cause and effect from access to GUNS in regards to GUN crimes.

There is no causal link. Guns do not cause crimes.

The more you repeat it and ask puerile questions as you did in 3 and 4 that do not prove your point, the more you show the idiocy of the fallacy you try present.

Pointing out that there is no actual "gun problem" is neither puerile nor fallacy.

6-No again you spew out your own subjective projection as to the intent of such regulations.

That is incorrect. I correctly stated the truth about gun control.

The point of such regulations are to make it harder and less likely for youth, thieves, mentally ill and criminals getting access to weapons

That is incorrect. Outlawing the brand name of a gun has nothing to do with making it harder and less likely for youth, thieves, mentally ill and criminals getting access to weapons.

Outlawing the style of a gun has nothing to do with making it harder and less likely for youth, thieves, mentally ill and criminals getting access to weapons.

Outlawing pistol grips and flash suppressors has nothing to do with making it harder and less likely for youth, thieves, mentally ill and criminals getting access to weapons.

The only reason for such laws is to maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

and contrary to your fallacy where you try deflect from gun access

No such fallacy and no such deflection. I am directly confronting that proposal when I point out that the only thing that it is designed to do is maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

it is possible to balance the right of someone to own a gun and regulations to help lesson access to weapons by youth, the mentally ill, thieves, criminals. The two are not exclusive and opposed to one another

Maybe so. But the gun laws that you support are not designed to do that. They are only designed to maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

as your fallacy that any gun regulation will take away your right to gun ownership.

No such fallacy.

Maliciously outlawing a bunch of ordinary hunting rifles for no reason is not designed to do anything other than violate people's civil liberties.

 

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7-Of course it is. By cutting down the likelihood of a mentally unstable person, thief, criminal getting their hands on a gun

Outlawing the brand name of a gun has nothing to do with cutting down the likelihood of a mentally unstable person, thief, or criminal getting their hands on a gun.

Outlawing the style of a gun has nothing to do with cutting down the likelihood of a mentally unstable person, thief, or criminal getting their hands on a gun.

Outlawing pistol grips and flash suppressors has nothing to do with cutting down the likelihood of a mentally unstable person, thief, or criminal getting their hands on a gun.

The only reason for such laws is to maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

and in some cases specific types of assault rifles will cut down on gun crimes

Nonsense. No assault rifle that is (or was ever) legally owned by an American civilian has ever been used to commit a crime.

(mostly done with hand guns)

The fact that crimes are mostly done with handguns should be a clue that rifles are not a problem.

and mass murders (mostly down with AR assault weapons).

That is incorrect in at least two ways. First, ARs are not assault weapons. They are ordinary hunting rifles.

Second, most mass murders are not committed with rifles.

Many gun owners believe more gun regulations as to training as to the use of weapons, cleaning and storing them more safely to prevent theft of them or access to them by mentally ill, thieves and criminals as well as better registration to be able to quickly trace weapons that have been stolen to curtail black market sales of them.

Maybe so. But the gun control movement doesn't care about that. They only care about maliciously violating people's civil liberties for no reason.

They also as I argue have no problems with banning certain kinds of bullets, rifles and guns.

If they support maliciously violating people's civil liberties for no reason, then they are criminals and should be prosecuted.

The fact you disagree and believe this is a simplistic idiotic black or white issue (any gun regulation is a threat to gun owners and will take their gun away) is only your opinion.

It is indeed my opinion that maliciously violating people's civil liberties for no reason is a very bad thing.

8. Parroting Trumpisms to label anything you disagree with as "fake" only shows your self of entitlement and lack of respect for any legal rights or safety rights of others. Your fake news name calling simply shows that anyone or anything that does not serve your sense of entitlement does not have the right to exist. That is malignant narcissism. It shows you don't giver a flying phack about anyone or anything but your rights.

Nonsense. Denouncing an untrue claim does not harm anyone else's rights or safety.

This issue deals with NOT just you. It deals with the safety and need cut do everything we can to protect children, the vulnerable and innocent, from thieves, criminals, mentally unstable people with weapons as well as mentally ill people who use weapons to commit suicide.

That is incorrect. Outlawing the brand name of a gun has nothing to do with protecting children or with preventing mentally ill people from committing suicide.

Outlawing the style of a gun has nothing to do with protecting children or with preventing mentally ill people from committing suicide.

Outlawing pistol grips and flash suppressors has nothing to do with protecting children or with preventing mentally ill people from committing suicide.

The only reason for such laws is to maliciously violate people's civil liberties for no reason.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I see @Toggle Almendro is defending mass shooters again.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Thoughts & Prayers: The Game

America faces an epidemic of mass shootings. It's up to you to stop them... with the power of your thoughts and prayers.

www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com

 

[SMTA]

I see @Toggle Almendro is defending mass shooters again.

He’s not wrong in defending rights by using correct logic.