aquapub
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Have you ever seen the MSM report on the disporportionate black on white crime versus the almost nonexistant white on black crime. Nope they just highlight white on black crime.
How about the disporportionate numbers of black male criminals versus white male criminals? Not a peep. And it's blacks who suffer for it.
I think the shifting moral zeitgeist has alot to do with the former statement, and poverty has more to do with the latter.
The only statistically significant number when corrected for poverty is black on black crime compared to any other self-destructive demographic.
Poverty doesn't cause crime, crime causes poverty.
It's a bogus correction.
Highlights of the 2005 color of crime report (USA)
Crime Rates
- Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities (non-whites).
- Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
- When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
- Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
- The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
Have you ever seen the MSM report on the disporportionate black on white crime versus the almost nonexistant white on black crime. Nope they just highlight white on black crime.
Does the fact that cases like this always get blacked out by the media
O. J. Simpson murder case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ummm yeah...
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I don't get it....you guys are mad that the media covers white on black racially motivated crimes more then they cover black on white racially motivated crime? Unless justice is not being carried out properly then there is nothing to argue about. You're all just whining.
Obviously you've got something uniques that drove coverage of this case. O.J. was a celebrity.
That is a naive statement at best.
Every sociology class.......
What source................./QUOTE]
Prove that white males below the poverty level murder and rape and assualt at the same rate black males do.
If one hungry person EVER stole food for poverty's sake
I see all those black males in prison were just hungry?
Can you support this claim that poverty doesn't cause crime?
Most people in poverty don't commit crimes. Committing crimes is a choice not a result.
You see I happen to believe that criminals are made, not born.
Yes so do I.
And I don't think race or skin pigment has any logical connection criminality.
Then why does it?
If I am wrong feel free to correct me. But I just cannot honestly agree that my not being white puts me at risk for being a criminal.
Who said anything about risk?
Honestly if it weren't for the bullshit war on drugs these statistics would be far more benign.
Specious argument. The facts speak for themselves. And let's not overlook the fact that being a criminal is a more "accepted" profession in the black community than in other communities. There's even a popular campaign about not "snitching" going on in the black community.
No it's a perfectly correct statement.
Spare me. Socilogist have been trying to excuse criminals for decades. The fact is most criminals are poor BECAUSE they are criminals not the other way around.
Prove that white males below the poverty level murder and rape and assualt at the same rate black males do.
I see all those black males in prison were just hungry?
Most people in poverty don't commit crimes. Committing crimes is a choice not a result.
Yes so do I.
Then why does it?
Who said anything about risk?
Specious argument. The facts speak for themselves. And let's not overlook the fact that being a criminal is a more "accepted" profession in the black community than in other communities. There's even a popular campaign about not "snitching" going on in the black community.
And do you care to support it with any information?
There is no agreement within the discipline itself.Is that your idea of having debunked Sociology?
That the poverty is the cause.And what would I have to gain by proving that?
No I'm honestly suggesting that most criminals are poor because they are criminals, that high crime impoverishes neighborhoods not the other way around.Are you honestly suggesting that the impoverished commit as many or fewer crimes than the middle class and up?
With what?So then what does being black have to do with it?
Let's put it this way if I pick a white guy off the streets and bet you he has committed a crime during is lifetime the stand a very good chance of losing the bet. If I pick a black guy off the streets and offer the same bet I stand a very good chance of winning the bet.What is the logical connection between skin pigment and crime?
You are at risk for being a victim of a crime if you live in that poor black neighborhood, but the black pigment doesn't cause you to become a criminal.You said that there is a logical connection between my having skin color and me being likely to commit crime. That suggest my skin color puts me at risk.
If you choose to engage in criminal activity....................So PLEASE explain the logic behind my having more melanin in my skin than you making me more likely than a white to commit crimes.
Gangsta rapI can't believe you just said that being a criminal is an "accepted profession."
:rofl oh here it comes, the racist card.I can't believe that you used the word profession. That statement is blatantly racist.
So declaring the actions no longer crimes is your solution? Just let the drugs infest the black neighborhoods is the answer?How is my argument about the War on Drugs "specious." You just say these things by decree as if they were true, instead of demonstrating how they ARE true logically.
Specious argument. The facts speak for themselves. And let's not overlook the fact that being a criminal is a more "accepted" profession in the black community than in other communities.
There's even a popular campaign about not "snitching" going on in the black community.
What campaign about not snitching is being carried out in the black community? QUOTE]
It's not a 'communtiy thing', but does killing those who snitch count? That makes for a pretty effective campaign.
Is it possible that white-on-black crimes are reported for how rare they are? Unfortunately, in my paper I read small blurbs in the local section about black-on-black crimes and murders (more than one daily) occuring in the rough parts of Philly. It seems people are just fatigued about this.
Adding : I don't get it....you guys are mad that the media covers white on black racially motivated crimes more then they cover black on white racially motivated crime? Unless justice is not being carried out properly then there is nothing to argue about. You're all just whining.
Seems like yeah black people commit more crimes but justice is being carried out. Isn't that all that matters? :|
It's not a 'communtiy thing', but does killing those who snitch count? That makes for a pretty effective campaign.
Let's put it this way if I pick a white guy off the streets and bet you he has committed a crime during is lifetime the stand a very good chance of losing the bet. If I pick a black guy off the streets and offer the same bet I stand a very good chance of winning the bet.
No I'm honestly suggesting that most criminals are poor because they are criminals, that high crime impoverishes neighborhoods not the other way around.
You are at risk for being a victim of a crime if you live in that poor black neighborhood, but the black pigment doesn't cause you to become a criminal.
Gangsta rap
Don't snitch
Ask any cop who patrols black neighborhoods how cooperative the people living there are.
:rofl oh here it comes, the racist card. And if you can't debate the subject without declaring me a racist don't bother, but then don't expect anything to change.
So declaring the actions no longer crimes is your solution? Just let the drugs infest the black neighborhoods is the answer?
Tell me what do you think our country would be like if white males engaged in crime, assualts, murders and rapes at the same rates black males do?
Unless you've got some evidence to back this statement up retract it immediately.
What campaign about not snitching is being carried out in the black community
There are many, many cases where justice is not being carried out for fear of race riots, etc. Look at the Long Beach Halloween beating case from last year. Black youths beat up white women while yelling racial epithets. In any court in the land, that would have been a race crime, yet because they are terrified of the reaction, they are not charged as a hate crime, they are all given light sentences and, in fact, they even put off jail time until everyone was out of school for the year.
Would that have happened if it was white youths beating up black women? Hell no.
INGLEWOOD, Calif. -- Two 15-year-old boys pleaded guilty Thursday to assault for taking part in a Halloween beating of three white women.
In return, prosecutors dropped hate crime allegations and agreed the black youths will be sentenced to three months each in a juvenile camp rather than facing potential three-year sentences.
The Long Beach students entered pleas in Juvenile Court to a single count each of felony assault with an allegation that the attack was likely to cause great bodily injury, said Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office
Considering that people like Sharpton and Jackson are whining about how many blacks are in prison and calling it racist, no, it isn't all that matters.
They're not concerned that the black men in prison are guilty, they're only concerned about skin color.
You would have a better chance, but not a "very good chance."
Basically you just said that there is a very good chance every black guy "off the street" is a criminal.
Why does your entire argument rest on the logical fallacy that correlation does not equal causation?
And how do they become criminals in the first place?
If you can say this, you're not as racist as I made you out to be.
Being a gangta rapper does not mean you're a criminal. Most of them are blowing hot egotistical air.
What do you presume my friend will say?
You know what, you're right Stinger. How dare I call a spade a spade. By all means, continue saying racist sh1t.
These otherwise harmless users should never have been made criminals through contemptible legislation in the first place.
And there are drugs in ALL neighborhoods. As a stoner, 99% of my dealers are WHITE.
I would win more than I would lose.
Where did I say "every", don't put words in my mouth thinking it makes your case. The fact is MOST black men will commit a crime in their lifetime.
How do you think we get to the point where blacks who only make up 12% of the population commit crimes at a higher rate than any other group.
I have post my cites and the starts argue them.
It doesn't, it relies on observable fact. If you are going to just sit there and deny the epidemic of crime in the black community then we will just end it here.
By committing crimes.
Oh how gracious of you. Denial is one of the reasons the black community continues to be embroiled in crime which results in poverty.
Oh geez, just read the papers about drive by shootings and even the ones who make it still out to kill each other. Go to the Mobile Register web-page and read the front page article today about a black grandmother (the mothers have apparently run off) who got shot protecting her grandchildren when a gang shooting broke out in her front yard between young teenage blacks. That's how out of hand it has gotten.
I don't presume to speak for others. But what does one city tell us, not much when we have all the rest to look at.
I have not utter one racist sentence here, but what has happened is the typical bang the other over the head with the racist card with the truth is spoken. Look what happen to Cosby when he tried.
Except when they go around shooting each other and anyone in between.
Where they perpetrating drive-by shootings, were they raping women, were they assualting others.
All the rationalizations you through out don't hide the plain fact. If blacks in our country committed crimes at the same rate as whites, we could close half the prisons.
How about rebutting the facts I laid out, you asked for them I provided them
and now you just engage in name calling.
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