From your fingertips to trinity believer's eyes/ears/mind...you've merely proven there is no contradiction there, only false doctrine...Most Christians say Jesus is God, but the Bible says no one can see God and live.
Exodus 33:20 "But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.""
1 John 4:12 "No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us."
John 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."
This one's a real puzzle:
John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Not-Seeing-God
Most Christians say Jesus is God, but the Bible says no one can see God and live.
Exodus 33:20 "But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.""
1 John 4:12 "No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us."
John 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."
This one's a real puzzle:
John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Not-Seeing-God
That's more support for the contradiction.
That's not a contradiction!
That's more support for Jesus being God! God in HUMAN FORM!
God as Jesus, therefore - it's not like you're really seeing God's face!
Anyway - God is spirit - so how can people really see Him?
Maybe, we have to be physically dead to see Him. Maybe we have to be in the afterlife.
Furthermore, Hagar (the mother of Ishmael), saw God (in the form of the Angel of the Lord), and she lived!
Genesis 16
11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:
“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.”
Therefore, we know it is possible to see God.
Woe to you...Isaiah was given a vision...With God, nothing is impossible!
Biblical people who saw God:
Isaiah 6
Isaiah’s Commission
6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.
2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying.
3 And they were calling to one another:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”
4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.
5 “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King,
the Lord Almighty.”
That's more support for the contradiction.
I know you come up with an excuse for everything, but rarely a convincing one. This one is of those less convincing ones.
Woe to you...Isaiah was given a vision...
To believe that, you would have to believe the Bible lies...or you could accept the truth of the matter...Moses talked with God’s representative and orally received instruction from Jehovah through him, which was often the case...Moses did not see Jehovah, since ‘no man can see God and yet live'...Jehovah did not personally speak to Moses...the Law “was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator,” just as Galatians 3:19 states...Moses had seen God! he spoke with God, face-to-face!
Exodus 33
11 Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.
Most Christians say Jesus is God, but the Bible says no one can see God and live.
Exodus 33:20 "But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.""
1 John 4:12 "No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us."
John 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."
This one's a real puzzle:
John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Not-Seeing-God
To believe that, you would have to believe the Bible lies...or you could accept the truth of the matter...Moses talked with God’s representative and orally received instruction from Jehovah through him, which was often the case...Moses did not see Jehovah, since ‘no man can see God and yet live'...Jehovah did not personally speak to Moses...the Law “was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator,” just as Galatians 3:19 states...
So, you do believe the Bible lies...got it...Has anyone ever seen God?
Jesus was God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14) so when people saw Him, they were seeing God. So, yes, God can be “seen” and many people have “seen” God. At the same time, no one has ever seen God revealed in all His glory. In our fallen human condition, if God were to fully reveal Himself to us, we would be consumed and destroyed. Therefore, God veils Himself and appears in forms in which we can “see” Him.
Has anyone ever seen God? | GotQuestions.org
Has anyone ever seen God? Is it possible to see God and live?www.gotquestions.org
Where did this "all His glory" come from? Does the bible say that when it says no one can see God? Does it say "no one can see God in all his glory"? If it does, you have yourself a weak argument. If it doesn't, you don't have an argument at all.Has anyone ever seen God?
Jesus was God in the flesh (John 1:1, 14) so when people saw Him, they were seeing God. So, yes, God can be “seen” and many people have “seen” God.
At the same time, no one has ever seen God revealed in all His glory.
In our fallen human condition, if God were to fully reveal Himself to us, we would be consumed and destroyed.
Therefore, God veils Himself and appears in forms in which we can “see” Him.
Has anyone ever seen God? | GotQuestions.org
Has anyone ever seen God? Is it possible to see God and live?www.gotquestions.org
In ALL HIS GLORY - there's the difference.
God veils Himself and appears in forms in which we can “see” Him. He came as a human in Jesus Christ.
Why do you think that?God is not infallible and He does not bestow infallibility on anyone else or their writings.
To believe that, you would have to believe the Bible lies...or you could accept the truth of the matter...Moses talked with God’s representative and orally received instruction from Jehovah through him, which was often the case...Moses did not see Jehovah, since ‘no man can see God and yet live'...Jehovah did not personally speak to Moses...the Law “was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator,” just as Galatians 3:19 states...
So, you do believe the Bible lies...got it...
So, you do believe the Bible lies...got it...
Where did this "all His glory" come from? Does the bible say that when it says no one can see God? Does it say "no one can see God in all his glory"? If it does, you have yourself a weak argument. If it doesn't, you don't have an argument at all.
The nature of the material world is that of shifting sand, in it there is no truth or reality.Why do you think that?
Most Christians say Jesus is God, but the Bible says no one can see God and live.
Exodus 33:20 "But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.""
1 John 4:12 "No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us."
John 5:37 "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form."
This one's a real puzzle:
John 1:18 "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Not-Seeing-God
The god that appeared to Moses was not God, but a cosmic being, it says, "I appeared before Abraham as God."Where did this "all His glory" come from? Does the bible say that when it says no one can see God? Does it say "no one can see God in all his glory"? If it does, you have yourself a weak argument. If it doesn't, you don't have an argument at all.
And so... The voice Jesus spoke with, also was not the voice of God? And the voice Moses heard? And the voice that spoke from the heavens when Jesus was baptised?
It is odd, though, that Jesus would say, "you have never heard his voice or seen his form," because the Bible says that God is spirit. Spirit doesn't have a form. Unless — unless, Jesus meant, that they have never seen God. Full stop.
One thing is impossible with God...He does NOT lie, in spite of how you bend the sctripures...
That's so pathetic! Valery -have you seen ventriloquists having conversations with their dummies?
Think man - if ventriloquists can do it - why can't God?
Why would God introduce Jesus as His only begotten Son? Didn't God show us (through Jesus) what He means by obedience to the Father?
This has been explained in this thread:
GOD HIMSELF will be with them[W;105]
I've been quoting verses this past couple of days – verses that show Jesus is God Himself, incarnated, to dwell among the people and to save mankind. I thought I'd exhausted everything...... until this morning. I'm on the Book of Revelation these days, and I just finished reading Chapter 21...debatepolitics.com
Kindly wrap your heads around this fact:
With God, nothing is impossible!
How many times do I have to explain this?
You can re-frame the same thing in many different ways - it won't change the answer.
Read POST #18
With God, nothing is impossible!
One thing is impossible with God...He does NOT lie, in spite of how you bend the sctripures...
One thing is impossible with God...He does NOT lie
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