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Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Site

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Oh, you are most certainly correct that we don't have that ability...as long as we continue to be lazy, apathetic and just plain not concerned about who is being selected for office. That is the attitude of most of the American populace. Perhaps THAT is what needs to be changed...perhaps you should support ending that apathy instead of supporting a bunch of hidden, cowardly, terroristic rats.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Didn't say that he was a part of the Press did I? But he was a wistleblower to the press. And yes he is in jail. How many other whistleblowers are in jail?
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Bradley Manning wasn't a whistleblower. A whistleblower is someone who comes across evidence of specific wrong-doing and raises it through the appropriate channels (which, as a last resort, could include going public).

Manning gathered vast swathes of data that he couldn't possibly know the contents of and passed it all on to unknown third parties with no real idea of what they would do with it. Some of that data did involve evidence of wrong-doing but Manning didn't blow the whistle on that.
 
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HonestJoe's remark about Manning hit the nail on the head. I'll just point out that Manning NEVER went to the press with the information he stole.

The press? The media.

It's not the exposing of the truth that makes Anonymous terrorists and criminals. It's the manner in which they do it. As to who has been terrorized by them...see post #199.
 
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Pagan said:
So do you believe that government's dirty secrets shouldn't ever be exposed? That everything the government does is totally off limits?
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lol? You are conflating secrets with dirty secrets. Why?

If you had checked on the background of Anonymous there is no real "head" , they are a loosely based group of activists spanning the globe.
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I know, that's part of the problem.


You might be all for it, but anonymous isn't. Why do you think that is?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Your position is idiotic because you're claiming that anonymous is attacking the US government vs the Chinese government because you think that in America you have the FREEDOM to hack the government.
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Uhhh...no, I didn't say that. I'm not sure you're even taken the time to try to figure out what my position is- you certainly never asked for. You just lashed out with personal insults because I laughed anonymous. That's interesting.


You don't seem to read very well, but you have very strong opinions, so that's cute.
 
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Exposing government crimes, in particular the gunship video and audio, is not whistleblowing?

My, what a strange and corrupt world you live in.
 
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Isn't sterotyping fun? I mean for everyone else, watching you look completely ignorant about any facts concerning the person you're talking about.

Redress has been pretty universally critical of these hacker types since they've been on the forum, and has been relatively consistent in their views regardless of whose in power of whether or not it's in line with Obama's agenda or not.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Tell me, what is the difference between an "whistleblower/informant" and hacking? Both come by their knowledge and distribute it via "unlawful" ways. Don't believe me? Take a look at Manning....
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If you're going to speak of things being "unlawful" it would help if you actually knew about the laws. ACTUAL whistleblowing is not unlawful, nor gaining the information through an "unlawful" way. Manning was not a "whistleblowewr", he was someone that simply indiscriminately released a **** ton of information with little knowledge of exactly what was being released, what if any part of it was actually illegal activity, and completly out of step with what "whistleblowing" is.
 
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Henry David said:
Exposing government crimes, in particular the gunship video and audio, is not whistleblowing?

My, what a strange and corrupt world you live in.
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My, what a strange world you live in where you get to ignore words people write in an effort to bitch about them.

Did you notice the word he used in terms of "SPECIFIC" wrong doing.

Had Manning taken the Gunship video and audio, reported it in appropriate fashion in accordance with Whistleblower laws, there'd be no issue. He'd be a whistleblower. He'd have been exposing a legitimate specific wrong-doing.

That's not what he did. Manning released a crap ton of material, much of which was in no way, shape, or form things that would be classified as legitimate for Whistleblowing purposes, and happened to have some things within the large stash tha the released that were actually problematic.

That's the difference of saying the police can arrest a specific person who committed a crime...and then saying it's the same thing if the police arrest 50 people and 2 of those people happen to have committed a crime, so it's okay.
 
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Henry David said:
Exposing government crimes, in particular the gunship video and audio, is not whistleblowing?
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lol there was nothing criminal about that. That's just people who don't know anything about war being disturbed about it.
 
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I don't find that persuasive in the least. It's rather like saying that because Daniel Ellsberg did not go through the chain of command he was not a whistleblower either.

Government sophistry is what you present. You want me to believe that exposing government crimes is good and correct, ONLY IF one goes through the chain of command. Nonsense.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
lol there was nothing criminal about that. That's just people who don't know anything about war being disturbed about it.
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There was nothing criminal about shooting unarmed civilians and journalists?

Next you're going to tell me that Lt. Calley was doing his duty. Yeah, LOL. :lamo
 
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Henry David said:
There was nothing criminal about shooting unarmed civilians and journalists?
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They weren't armed? You sure about that, Tex? :lol:

Next you're going to tell me that Lt. Calley was doing his duty. Yeah, LOL. :lamo
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lol no. You clearly don't understand rules of engagement and have never been under fire.

But the ignorant can vote too, and thus our problem.
 
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OldWorldOrder said:
They weren't armed? You sure about that, Tex? :lol:



lol no. You clearly don't understand rules of engagement and have never been under fire.

But the ignorant can vote too, and thus our problem.
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No Pancho, they weren't armed. US thought they were armed, but the 'guns' turned out to be cameras. I'm wondering if you've heard the audio from the ship's intercom?

Yes Pancho, I've been shot at and missed, sh*t at and hit. I did the Vietnam thing, ya' know? Helicopter Ambulance. We were medics, and flew unarmed, with Red Cross insignia, in compliance with Geneva Conventions. VC didn't care too much about the Red Cross insignia, just like you don't care too much about shooting civilians.

My, how things don't change.
 
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I agree that Manning went about what he did the wrong way. Its the only reason that I agree that what he did was treasonous. He did what he did out of revenge and that is what makes what he did wrong. It is the intent that matters with me.
 
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Mycroft said:
I'll just point out that Manning NEVER went to the press with the information he stole.
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Yes he did. Wikileaks is part of the Press wether you agree with it or not.

Mycroft said:
The press? The media.
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Awefully short answer there. Want to be more specific? Because with your answer anything that is media involved, including digital forms of releasing news, is considered the press...which would include Wikileaks...which you apparently don't consider as part of the Press.

Mycroft said:
It's not the exposing of the truth that makes Anonymous terrorists and criminals. It's the manner in which they do it. As to who has been terrorized by them...see post #199.
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The manner in which they do it? Hows that? Just because they don't put thier names out for everyone to see and not in front of camera's? Have they ever condoned physical violence against anyone? If not then they are not terrorizing either.
 
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Sorry but imo the wistleblower laws are actually crap. All that they do is "encourage" you to report something to someone higher in the chain of command. This way they can just bury it again.

BTW, I do agree that the way manning did what he did was wrong. Mainly because his intent was not to expose harm but to take revenge.
 
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LOL!!

You are correct. I don't consider WikiLeaks to be anything like something I would consider "the press".

Oh, and there are forms of terrorism that are not physical. Just ask any psychologically abused child or woman.
 
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ric27 said:
Anonymous is already infiltrated

****** division will pick up, the few loose ends
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And just how do you infilterate an organization that has no names? No home base? No one leader? Just a bunch of people from across the world doing what they think is the right thing to do.
 
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Mycroft said:
LOL!!

You are correct. I don't consider WikiLeaks to be anything like something I would consider "the press".
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Why?

Mycroft said:
Oh, and there are forms of terrorism that are not physical. Just ask any psychologically abused child or woman.
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You're confusing terrorism with terrorizing. A single person terrorizing one or two people is not called terrorism. Its called abuse.
 
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It's a helluva note, and a sign of these corrupted times when exposing government crimes is considered to be treasonous. Yes, we have the government we deserve. :3oops:
 
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Henry David said:
It's a helluva note, and a sign of these corrupted times when exposing government crimes is considered to be treasonous. Yes, we have the government we deserve. :3oops:
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People should consider it patriotic, but since people confuse patriotism with nationalism they don't agree.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
And just how do you infilterate an organization that has no names? No home base? No one leader? Just a bunch of people from across the world doing what they think is the right thing to do.
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Get serious.... on a public forum?!?

Focus on old school...it never fails. To catch *****, you become *****

Btw UC narc is far and away the most dangerous job in any agency...ask any cop.

This thing with Anon is bull**** compared to the other
 
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And that excuses their hypocrisy?
 
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