So you're saying our founding fathers didn't start the revolution with letters, pamphlet's, civil demonstrations, "tea party's" ,etc and it only started when King George sent troops and King George didn't label them as Terrorists?
OK if you say so ..... lol .....
The new battleground...the new weapons...meaningless.
These criminals and terrorists have no core beliefs or principles...let alone a shred of honor. They attack whomever they perceive a beef with currently. They don't care whom they harm in the course of their actions.
They are nothing more than terrorist and opportunists who get their rocks off by showing off their internet hacking skill.
Like I said...rats.
So any act of civil obedience, whistle blowers exposing government's dirty dealings are rats and terrorists that should be as you stated "killed"?
Or are you just lumping Anonymous together with all hackers?
BTW the U.S. Government (along with most all other governments) also hack sites on the net. So you lumping them in with Anonymous or are you saying if government does it that it's ok?
Odd that people are talking about the founding fathers and anonymous. I couldn't give a **** about the founding fathers either way, and obviously anonymous is a bunch of people hiding behind computer screens but:
"The necessity of procuring good intelligence is apparent and need not be further urged. All that remain for me to add is that you keep the whole matter secret as possible. For upon secrecy, success depends in most enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"
That was said by George Washington. Do you think he'd think that all the information that a state has should be shared with the world? Really?
When your acts of civil (dis)obedience, whistleblowing and the like involve criminal acts that threaten innocents along with their target...yes. I would consider them terrorists who should be treated as such. They are no better than the suicide bomber who blows himself up on a busy street outside of the police station...except these people you are trying to defend don't even have the conviction to put their lives on the line like that suicide bomber does.
Like I said...rats.
The government we have today bears nothing in resemblance to what was founded. What would George say about "indefinite detention" of U.S. Citizens for example?
For the record I'm no fanboy of Anonymous but I cheer those who risk their lives to expose the shady dealings of our government. If you don't think hacking into government sites and exposing their dirty laundry isn't risking their life you need to wake up.
So is that a yes or no to Washington being a fan of people sharing government secrets? Please don't shift the goalposts.
Who said anything about life risking? I don't even know what you mean about that anyway. Are they going to executed? Are they going to disappear without their families knowing what happened to them? What are you even talking about, and why?
No I'm not shifting the goal posts,
As for the life threatening, I'd say spending decades in prison risking ones life. Not to mention what will happen to them under the "Patriot Act".
Okay, well, with specific regards to the founding fathers supporting anonymous, and with that quote in mind, do you think George Washington would support the leaking of state secrets?
Oh, so you mean it in a vague and figurative way, as opposed to a literal way. Okay. Well people risk their lives, then, by making poor choices in high school and whatnot. Virtually everything is life risking, using your argumentation.
I couldn't and wouldn't want to put words in Georges mouth. But seeing what our government has become and they way the literally wipe their ass's with the Constitution one could only wonder.
Yeah I'm speaking in a "figurative" way, and you'll have to excuse my short bullet posts. I'm using my Android tablet.
Anyway it's obvious from what I've seen in this thread that most all are lumping them in with all hackers and don't understand.
Okay, well you can feel free to use his: "For upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises of the kind, and for want of it, they are generally defeated"
Well yeah, considering my first post in this thread was about how anonymous criticizes the US government but hides behind the protections that government affords, as opposed to China, where people protesting really do "risk their life", you can see my issue. But anonymous would rather release documents from Western governments who they know won't excute them and rarely, because of PR issues because of the simpletons that support them, even prosecute them. As opposed to, ya know, release and protest governments that actually will make their own citizens disappear. To look at anonymous' protests, things like the US, JSTOR, the UK, et al are the world's bad guys. Folks like China, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc...anonymous doesn't pay attention to them.
Weird.
Sure, no true Scotsman.
There is nothing positive about this at all.
This is a terrorist act and should be treated accordingly.
Yes it does. However, that does not give ANYONE the right to break into classified documents and make them public. Especially not knowing who and what might be put in danger by the publication of those documents.
And the proper, non-terrorist method for dealing with such people is included in the Constitution...you vote them out of office.
You DON'T attack our government.
Until they show the balls to go after China with all the dirty laundry they have, they are just cowards going after a target they know they can hit to look good.
Selective activism is little better than selective outrage and thats about what this is.
No offense but there are a lot more crappy places they could be targeting with much deeper civil and human rights violations.
Pretty much all terrorists think they have a just cause - it's what drives them to such extreme actions. Sometimes, in principal, they do have a just cause. That doesn't stop them being terrorists and doesn't stop their terrorism being wrong.
Even worse they inspire intrusive measures that might not otherwise ever be authorized or placed into law.
My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.
If it ain't the Government withholding information, it is the Hacktivists. :doh
Apparently they aren't any better that the Government. I wonder if they see their own hypocrisy?
“The contents are various and we won’t ruin the speculation by revealing them. Suffice it to say, everyone has secrets, and some things are not meant to be public. At a regular interval commencing today, we will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents of the file. Any media outlets wishing to be eligible for this program must include within their reporting a means of secure communications.”
Of course I'm repeating it. I'm mocking you.
It's like you didn't know that people in China vanish because they're critical of the government is a thing. Like you didn't know it was such a thing that they actually say someone has "been vanished", using 消失, to describe that someone has just up and disappeared, after being critical of the government. It's like you didn't know that at all, and still had the nerve to call me sheltered. So yeah, I just mocked you.
But stick it to The Man, dude!
Is Anonymous just an American thing? Or do they operate more in the US as opposed to China because they have the freedom to do so without disappearing here?
And how much change will result from stealing credit card numbers, interfering with a government serving it's people, and posting flashing gifs on a message board for epileptics?
Give me an example of what Anonymous has exposed that has exposed "threaten innocents along with their target"?
AAPT attack
In July 2012, Anonymous hacked Australian ISP AAPT and later leaked 40 GB of partially redacted customer data to protest data retention policy.
1. Manning is not part of the press.
2. Ummm...exactly where IS Manning right now? Oh, yeah...IN JAIL!!
Again, your correlation between the press and Anonymous...fails.
I will never root for Anonymous because they are criminals and terrorists. They belong in jail...or dead.
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