Unfortunately, this war is not a traditional war. The enemy does not put on uniforms and honorably face us on the field of battle. This is a "guerrilla" type war. It is a war without national boundaries or front lines or lines of conflict. But, there is an enemy who is taking deadly actions in an attempt to destroy us and our allies.
The Western democracies will continue to bend, thinking maybe this time we can have peace and live in harmony, but there will always be another cartoon, beauty pageant or movie which will set things off again.
I haven't heard of any Muslims who live in our country acting out violently.
Many of them thought the same thing about Hitler until he bombed and invaded them. Didn't work then, isn't going to work now.
I think you guys are getting a bit carried away. These guys do not have the kind of army that Hitler had. These guys are amateurs, not very well trained, probably kill more of their own than ours. They have had success unfortunately (such as 9-11). Their countries should do something about them, and we should protect ourselves. We should just have nothing to do with countries who do not crack down on these activities. No more embassies or dealing with them at all until they take steps to control their own. I see NO need to have a "war" over this.
I haven't heard of any Muslims who live in our country acting out violently.
These latest incidents are just that incidents, in a war that has been raging for around 60 years already. We are already at war with them, we are not "starting" one over this.
I think you guys are getting a bit carried away. These guys do not have the kind of army that Hitler had. These guys are amateurs, not very well trained, probably kill more of their own than ours. They have had success unfortunately (such as 9-11). Their countries should do something about them, and we should protect ourselves. We should just have nothing to do with countries who do not crack down on these activities. No more embassies or dealing with them at all until they take steps to control their own. I see NO need to have a "war" over this.
Of course not. That is because they do not yet have the numbers. It seems you are still caught up with the idea of traditional warfare from the last century. You should forget about that and think of the objective of war, and how to gain that objective against nations with far superior weaponry. You certainly don't do it on the battlefield by wearing uniforms or identifying yourself in any way.
Instead you create occasional terror to keep the host nation unsettled, make them feel guilty for their history while glorifying yours, introduce words such as "Islamophobia", and propagandize to the more vulnerable in the classrooms so they will be more sympathetic to the cause and turn on their own country as well.
All of this strategy is achieving enormous success. They certainly know us better than we do.
U.S. Universities Build Ties with Islamic Terrorist Groups
Radical Islam gains ground in campuses | World news | The Observer
I certainly don't think that radical Islam is okay, but when it is happening in other countries, then it should be their problem and not ours. Why should our guys die when we could just leave there. I've heard we get most of our oil from S.A. anyway.
Huh??
They are at war with you.
What part of that do you not understand? You cannot escape.
Oil?? Do you really believe this is about oil
Okay, whatever.I think that is one reason why this region is so important to us. Yes. What do you mean "you cannot escape." I think you sound a just a bit paranoid. NOT all Muslims are terrorists. I used to live next door to a couple who were Muslims. They were very good people. Just like with ANY religion, you are going to get your nuts and extremists. I agree that the ones who associate themselves with Islam seem to have an extra propensity to violence, but I believe that to be a more complicated problem than strictly due to just religious beliefs.
That sounds, um, status quo to me. How does it make it worse?
So what if we hate Muslims? Shouldn't we hate the people who attack us? Or do you prefer Kum-ba-yah?
Your not being attacked by Muslims your being attacked by radicals. You have to work with these countries to help get rid of extremism the government of Libya is trying to remove Al-Qaeda, but is still trying to build up security forces. In Libya it will work better if you just worked with the govment as most of the country are Liberal Muslims.
What's your definition of a "Liberal Muslim"?
Your not being attacked by Muslims your being attacked by radicals. You have to work with these countries to help get rid of extremism the government of Libya is trying to remove Al-Qaeda, but is still trying to build up security forces. In Libya it will work better if you just worked with the govment as most of the country are Liberal Muslims. In other news Libya just arrested 50 people for connection to the embassy attacks.
One that follows a more liberal interpretation of the Qur'an, hadith, and other holy writings.
Total war is unproductive to US interests. That's kinda the long and short of it.
It'e helpful for your interests (I guess, although you're not doing anything about it), but not for the US.
I certainly don't think that radical Islam is okay, but when it is happening in other countries, then it should be their problem and not ours. Why should our guys die when we could just leave there. I've heard we get most of our oil from S.A. anyway.
Actually, Canada is our largest importer.
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info!
Question for you, do what we call natural and inalienable rights apply to all mankind or only those fortunate enough to be born in the US? If bad things are happening in a state other than the one you live in, do you believe that people from your state shouldn't help them? Where is that divide for you on who should be stood up for and protected and who shouldn't? In the past, we have helped many other countries fight wars and we have many mutual defense treaties in place today. Should we just break them because they would not be Americans? Or should we honor them as long as they are white, or Asian but not the Arabs or the Israeli's?
I don't think they want us there.
What is your logic that places a higher value on protecting an American life and his/her rights vs extending those same rights to others? Many say we should not of gone into Iraq. Was it ok for that countries leader to rape, murder and torture because he wasn't doing it to Americans? Didn't we go to War with Germany for the same reasons during WWII, even though Germany had not directly attacked us?
I thought we went to war because of the attack on Pearl Harbor?
"It is only the radicals that are attacking us". This is true, however, where are they getting their support from? Do they run a business and get their own monies? Or do they get support from Muslims who do not stand up and join their groups directly? How much money and support do they get from sources other than those connected to oil? How many millions have come from supposedly benign Muslims in the US? Or other Countries?
These are all good questions, but I don't know. Do you?
We get around 15% of our oil from the Gulf region. Would us totally cutting off oil from there really end their funding? Somehow I don't think that our 15% is 100% of their total sales. Would it hurt them? Undoubtedly. But stop all support for terrorist? No way. What would it do to those in the region who are actually trying to fight the violence?
Well, it's worth a shot, and it's a better alternative than war IMO.
Total War is not productive to anybody interests. There is also the fact of the Rest of the World taking a look at one that does so. Knowing they ALL might need to pull together just in case. So yes it damages even relationships with Aliies. As Mistrust would always be an heir apparant.
Now if you were talking to me about doing anything about shiznit. I put in my time and got a few holes to show for it. What about you? Not to mention I was Warring long before I joined Uncle Sam's Gang! Which doesn't count anything that i do for my fellow Bruthas and Cuzins that make it Home. As well as those that Payed the FUll Price!!!!!
Sometimes it is. 1st Group, 501st MI, 82nd, 500th MI, btw. But god knows what your rant was about.
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