disneydude
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Yea, that's it. I mean, we survived through everything else, but the prospect of a government health plan is going to be the death of us.
Where are you getting this ****?
That's why they are so desperate to try to stop it.
Its a combination of things. The party of NO has opposed everything that Obama has done.
If the economy improves and health care actually succeeds, the GOP will become even more irrelevant that they have become today.
They can't actually have valid criticisms of his policies, now could they?
They have proposed alternatives, in both the House and the Senate. Besides the fact that the majority party refuses to discuss them, how is the legislation not viable?Their validity would be supplemented if they proposed some viable alternatives.
Their validity would be supplemented if they proposed some viable alternatives. The Republican Party could easily exploit the diversity of the Democratic Party to achieve reforms more palpable to their base. But it operates under the notion that any good which originates from a Democrat-run Congress is hurtful to its own election prospects. So, it derails everything it can instead.
bull
the republican party for the first 6 months of this disastrous presidency has done NOTHING but watch as democratic leadership has piece by piece destroyed its own party
man up and take responsiblity
you were given 60 senators for a reason
Hypo:
Let's say you happen to like your local bar. It's a bit of a dive and some people in town are unhappy with it, but you're largely content with the way it's run. Now imagine that a group of people get together and propose that the bar be converted into an upscale club with bottle service and B&T trash. You don't like that idea, and would much prefer that things remain the way they are. You acknowledge that there are things that could be improved from the status quo, but you would much prefer what you have now to this new type of bar.
Now, would you consider yourself to be a member of the "party of no" or someone who was totally devoid of ideas? Or would you consider yourself to be someone who simply disagreed with the proposed changes?
You speak such few words and yet there is so much wrong about them.
The Republican Party has done more than watch. They are continually attempting to rally public opinion against every single proposal that comes out of the White House, going to great lengths to criticize (on speculative or blatantly false grounds) the weaknesses of the policies. There is really no Democrat-originating act or event, no matter how minor, that they don't have a lot of bad words to direct toward.
The Democratic Party is anything but destroyed, although I wouldn't expect a Republican to understand that because they are used to a party which demands consensus in its ranks. Diversity of opinion and argument are the order of the day in the Democratic Party.
I don't have to "man up and take responsibility" until Republicans "man up and take responsibility" for accruing 8 trillion of our 12 trillion debt, not even including interest. By the law of fiscal conservatism, they ought to be exiled from the land. The debt Republicans are so scared about is almost exclusively the fruit of their own labor. Clinton didn't do it and Obama will have to spend 2 trillion dollars every year of his first term to even begin matching it.
attempting to rally public opinion---LOLOL!
it's called P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S
speculative and blatantly false grounds---why, you POOR little thing!
LOLOL!
imagine!
bad words!
towards EVERY democrat event?!
oh, MY!
why, that DOES sound rather unFAIR!
we already took full responsiblity---november 4
sixty BLUE senators
a majority of 79 in the house
your super historical and exciting presidency
you silly
LOLOL!
Disanalogy because the Republican Party has both a greater obligation to engage in policy than a bar patron and a greater capability.
Also, our status quo isn't comparable to a run down bar -- more like a building that's in the process of collapsing on itself.
There must be an argument in there somewhere, but I can't find it.
If you want to compare the depth and abundance of Democratic criticism of Republican events in the last couple decades, you'll lose. They Republicans are far less civil and exercise far less restraint. And while that is functional politics, it is not good politics or a virtue. Simply put, the Republicans are better rhetoricians -- which is how they pissed in the public's eye and jacked up the debt between 9-10 trillion (including interest) while amazingly retaining their reputation as a party of fiscal responsibility among their core base and some moderates. They are THAT good at sophistry.
no argument, why argue
the republicans are an ant
the dems are a giant
fix this economy or you're dead
no excuses
actually, after all the political capital expended in the field by this IDIOT president, fix the economy AND get a BIG and MEANINGFUL health care, or you're dead
we, in the meantime, will watch
and one more thing: NO!
we sign on the dotted line of opposition, unambiguously
your ball
good luck
You do realize that this is merely your opinion and that there are those who might disagree, right?
They have an obligation to go along with negotiations on a proposal they oppose?
Let's pretend it's 2005 and the GOP is trying to gin up support for an invasion of Russia. If the Democrats flat-out opposed that proposal, would they be the "party of no"? Would you accuse them of "refusing to engage in policy" unless they proposed a half-measure, like invading Mexico?
It's completely legitimate for a party to say "this is a bad proposal and we do not support it."
(This of course ignores the fact that the Republicans have proposed changes, but I don't want to distract from your already flawed argument by getting into this.)
Then they are wrong.
If Medicare/Medicaid trends continue, the budget is broken
If health care premiums continue to rise while wages remain stagnant, the net worth of the middle class will continue to shrink (which will lead to proportional decreases in educational-working opportunities and political influence)).
If you're not arguing, then you shouldn't be posting.
Then they are wrong. If Medicare/Medicaid trends continue, the budget is broken and the value of the dollar is imperiled. Unshakable fact. If health care premiums continue to rise while wages remain stagnant, the net worth of the middle class will continue to shrink (which will lead to proportional decreases in educational-working opportunities and political influence)). Not as unshakable, but also a pretty safe bet.
Oh **** bro, you got me. My bad for thinking that any opinion other than yours might be valid.
If health care premiums continue to rise while wages remain stagnant, the net worth of the middle class will continue to shrink (which will lead to proportional decreases in educational-working opportunities and political influence)).
That's a pretty tenuous thread on which to hang that conclusion.
This portion is true. Of course, one might wonder what that has to do with the private insurance industry, which is what this bill is trying to address.
(We might also ask why some people are so eager to expand government control of healthcare when these programs have highlighted just how terrible it turns out in practice.)
the public option would never have been in place had only the gop teamed up with the bluedogs?
LOLOLOLOL!!!
now, THAT's funny
AMEN!
Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News
Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)
"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)
Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.
For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans (They're starting to get it).
There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.
The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
Americans don't want the left's crappy "reform"; check the polls. Take your 1,000 page mockery and set it on fire.
Personally, I'm overjoyed at the way things turned out. I've never been happier to see one of Obama's policy initiatives crash and burn, I could revel in the flames all night.
If you're going to blame Republicans for shooting down Obama's health care "reform" then I'm going to send the GOP a big ol' thank you letter.
Dear GOP,
Good job guys!!! You finally did something useful!
From,
People that enjoy liberty and prosperity.
and the minority party has an obligation to negotiate with the party in power on proposals it sincerely feels will destroy this country because of "standard measurements of political responsibility?"
And the moderates who are anxious about spending.
It's not really funny. That's the sort of thing you get in a theoretical, bipartisan universe. As it is, the Republican Party strategy assumes that any Democratic success is hurtful to its election prospects (and, if you want to tack it on, the "greater good"), so a derailment today is worth some governing dysfunction tomorrow.
I'll be waiting for your proposal on how to solve the Medicare/Medicaid problem and rising health insurance premiums/stagnant wages with great anticipation.
step one---get this IDIOT outta the white house
oh, no, friend, it's hilarious
had the gop teamed up with bluedogs and "moderates anxious about spending," obama would never have gone there in the first place
LOLOLOL!
THAT's funny!
he won't even BACK OFF it NOW!
he's got BILL freakin CLINTON tellin him
the MATHEMATICIANS (you should DIG mathematicians, friend) at CBO
the GATEKEEPER, mr baucus
the WHIP, mr durbin (FROM! illinois)
his own MISSIONARY on MEDS (if he'd only paid his taxes), mr daschle, who IN JUNE declared the public option dead
sorry
you had every possible advantage
ALL FAILURES are on YOUR LEADERSHIP
deal with it
That's not what the Republican Party is after, however. They want political capital for future elections and will take it at any opportunity, to hell with any problems Medicare/Medicaid or the private sector might have.
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