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The one point that Electoral College-lovers consistently are unable to rebut is that yes, we understand "Tyranny of the Majority" is bad.
It does not then follow that the Electoral College system is sensible, nor does it make "Tyranny of the Minority" good.
There's absolutely no convincing argument that living in a more sparsely populated state demands an individual have more voting/electoral power than someone in a more densely populated state. None ****ing whatsoever. Especially when people in the same state don't even vote as a ****ing bloc.
the EC failed to protect us from a dangerously unfit for office candidate like Trump. i have defended it in the past for this and for other reasons. i now support an effort to get rid of it, as it doesn't work as intended.
I think CA actually mentioned a solution for that. There are versions of it in place in Maine and Nebraska. The "winner take all" thing is really what makes the EC bad.
The electoral college is fine. But they didn't do their duty when they ratified the election of Trump.
The purpose of the electoral college included stopping someone like Trump from becoming president.
Edit: what Helix said
[h=2]What are the Roles and Responsibilities of the Designated Parties in the Electoral College Process?[/h]
Responsibilities of the ElectorsOn the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (December 19, 2016), the electors meet in their respective States to cast their votes for President and Vice President of the United States. Read more about the qualifications and selection of the Electors and restrictions, if any, on how they may vote.
- Responsibilities of the Electors
- Responsibilities of the States
- Responsibilities of the Office of the Federal Register and the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)
- Responsibilities of the Congress
Responsibilities of the States in the Presidential Election
The Constitution of the United States and Federal law place certain Presidential election responsibilities on State executives and the electors for President and Vice President.
- Key Dates
- Appoint Electors
- Certificates of Ascertainment
- Meeting of Electors
- Certificates of Vote
- Contacts
These instructions have been prepared by the National Archives and Records Administration’s Office of the Federal Register under the authority of 3 U.S.C. 6, 11, 12, and 13 to assist the States in performing their duties. In these instructions, the term “Governor” includes the Mayor of the District of Columbia and the term “State” includes the District of Columbia.
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/roles.html
the EC failed to protect us from a dangerously unfit for office candidate like Trump. i have defended it in the past for this and for other reasons. i now support an effort to get rid of it, as it doesn't work as intended.
It works EXACTLY as intended. He ran a campaign aimed at collecting Electoral votes. His opponent ran on gaining the popular vote.
the EC failed to protect us from a dangerously unfit for office candidate like Trump. i have defended it in the past for this and for other reasons. i now support an effort to get rid of it, as it doesn't work as intended.
The EC was not designed to impact campaign strategy.
The EC was not designed to impact campaign strategy.
That's only a part of it, another part is that very small states (population-wise) have an inordinate number of votes in comparison to their population. It makes absolutely zero sense that the state of Wyoming has more of a say in picking the President than the city of Washington, DC
the EC failed to protect us from a dangerously unfit for office candidate like Trump. i have defended it in the past for this and for other reasons. i now support an effort to get rid of it, as it doesn't work as intended.
The EC was not designed to impact campaign strategy.
No. It was designed to insure that ALL STATES had some actual effect on electing the Chief Executive of the USA.
Designed? Possibly not. That does not mean that it won't affect campaign strategy.
Hillary and the DNC preferred the high population areas where she already had the votes instead of the 3 vote states who's voters she deemed deplorables. The 3 vote states won.
It was intended to benefit slave-heavy states by allowing the "three fifths of all other Persons" that counted toward apportionment to also increase the state's influence in the selection of the president. Something that wouldn't be true under a popular vote system in which those "all other Persons" wouldn't have suffrage.
The state with by far the largest number of slaves in 1790 also happened to be the same state with the largest population of free white males. And that state also happened to produce all of the presidents but one for the first thirty-six years of the republic. (The other two presidents in the first forty years of the republic were from the third most populous state.)
So either your history is wrong (it is) or the EC was broken right out of the gate.
That Virginia produced most of the early presidents does not mean the electoral college was broken.
If your argument is that its primary purpose was to prevent the largest states from dictating the process, it was.
That's only a part of it, another part is that very small states (population-wise) have an inordinate number of votes in comparison to their population. It makes absolutely zero sense that the state of Wyoming has more of a say in picking the President than the city of Washington, DC
It was intended to benefit slave-heavy states by allowing the "three fifths of all other Persons" that counted toward apportionment to also increase the state's influence in the selection of the president. Something that wouldn't be true under a popular vote system in which those "all other Persons" wouldn't have suffrage.
The state with by far the largest number of slaves in 1790 also happened to be the same state with the largest population of free white males. And that state also happened to produce all of the presidents but one for the first thirty-six years of the republic. (The other two presidents in the first forty years of the republic were from the third most populous state.)
So either your history is wrong (it is) or the EC was broken right out of the gate.
My argument is that the Electoral College is the last barrier to Tyranny of the Majority in America. That it is one of the wisest things our Founders devised to prevent it. Otherwise, we might be looking at constant civil revolts, and efforts to secede via outright civil war as smaller populated states, or even larger populated states with differing political leans (Texas as opposed to California) decide union is too oppressive and independence might be better.
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