Amero Currency

[ludahai]

Well the poster claimed that having the same currency as another country results in the loss of sovereignty. If this is the case why has there been no loss of sovereignty in Ecuador and Panama? I would have thought that was pretty straight-forward:shock:

Those are small countries that are poorer than the US and generally benefit from the generally responsible policies of the US Fed.

A currency merger with Canada wouldn't be so bad save for the Constitutional problems involved. Canada's economy has many similaries to that of the US. Including Mexico would be a disaster. The Europeans have the right idea to require minimun standards be met before entry into the unified currency regime. I believe only three have acceeded to the Euro after the original 12. Most of the new members have yet to meet the standards.

 

[Kandahar]

A currency merger with Canada wouldn't be so bad save for the Constitutional problems involved. Canada's economy has many similaries to that of the US. Including Mexico would be a disaster.

I agree. I think that if we're going to merge currencies anytime soon, the US and Canada need to be the ones calling the shots. That's not unreasonable, as the Mexicans would likely benefit from that as well.

The Europeans have the right idea to require minimun standards be met before entry into the unified currency regime. I believe only three have acceeded to the Euro after the original 12. Most of the new members have yet to meet the standards.

Eventually we may get to the point where we have some kind of global currency. Whether it has anything at all to do with governments remains to be seen.

With most money being electronic, I think it's equally likely that we'll get a de facto worldwide currency that isn't controlled by any nation.

 

[Jerry]

Another wingnut conspiracy theory. :roll: If there is so much "hype" about this "amero" currency plan, why is it that hardly anyone else has heard of it? Wouldn't something as news-worthy as this be plastered all over the news?

Time to move on folks. Nothing to see here.

The news industry is all about entertainment.

This isn't very entertaining to the average person, so the news industry airs stories about professional sports players being called before congress under suspicion of drug use. Now THAT'S important news :roll:

 

[Middleground]

I dunno if I'd want to merge... our money is so much prettier, I'd hate to lose that! :2razz:

 

[Jerry]

Well then why is that a bad thing?

As a Conservative I am opposed to bigger government. This inherently includes any such North American Union, and certainly a global government.

Power tends to centralize and the individual citizen always suffers for it.

Or are you saying that the United States as it currently exists will (and should) forever be an unchanging political and economic entity? Let's ask the Roman Empire how that worked out. Or the Mongols. Or the Persians. Or the Ottomans. Or the British Empire.

I would point out the fall of your examples was due to the government centralizing power, which you support, over taxing it's economy, which you support, until it collapsed, which will happen every time.

If I had my way, the world would be composed of several states, working together not under an umbrella authority but through treaties. To keep power from centralizing, frequent revolutions will need to occur, the existing authority tossed out and a new way of running business instated. In time, that new way will naturally over centralize and begin to abuse it’s power. That’s when another revolution needs to occur, and another governing body to take it’s place.

This, imo, is how things should be for as long as our species exists.

As found in nature, the political world should be filled with constant renewal.

 

[Jerry]

I dunno if I'd want to merge... our money is so much prettier, I'd hate to lose that! :2razz:

Oh don't worry, soon enough our money will be good for little more than TP and kindling and we will eagerly turn to the Crown, apologize for the War of Insurrection and beg for help.

 

[kaya'08]

http://bobmccarty.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/nau-amero-coins-8-17-07.jpg

So called "Amero" cents.

 

[Kandahar]

I dunno why this thread got moved to the Nutcase Forum. Just because Alex Jones and the John Birch Society obsess over it, doesn't mean that we can't have a real discussion over when/if it would be a good idea to integrate our currencies.

 

[Jerry]

It got moved?

Well if the mod team is going to treat us like **** by putting it here then I'm don.

 

[Jessica]

There has been a lot of hype that Canada, Mexico, and America will have the same currency and that the currency in part of nafta.The currency is called amero's. I do not have a lot of knowledge about this and was wondering what you thought.

It isn't part of Nafta. It is part of the North American Union, which is legislation passed illegally by Bush without a single US citizen vote on it.
It's considered to be part of the One World Order. A New World Order as George Bush Sr. said it would be.

It goes back to the start of the 20th century and the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank, which is part of central banking. If you dig into it, you would find it illegal and scary. Basically it's the evil of interest - you borrow money that is created on worthless paper to secure finances that do not exist and then charge interest upon it.

Before the 1920's, you had paper money that would have gold or silver certificate written on it, because money was secured by precious metals. Then after the depression (caused by the banking industry and the stock market. Just like it's happening now) they made a "law" requiring people to surrender any precious metals and give it to the state/government. Basically, they stole the entire country's precious metal cache, which was the only thing of real value. Then they printed new bills that say "legal tender" on it now. It's really worthless. It's value now is controlled by the Federal Reserve who decides how much to print and sets the interest rate upon the money they loan to banks, which lend it to us.

By controlling this, they control a lot of what is going on in the world. "Give me control of a country's finances, and I care not what laws are in place." Something like that.

Well anyway, so then you have this central bank - the master key to all other banks - controlled by a small group of people (the Federal Reserve) and then you have other people controlling other countries reserves. Basically it will melt down to four - North America (the union forming), the Asian market, the Middle East and then European.

Get control of those four banking systems and you control the world.

This currency - Amero - is the first step in consolidating all the countries in North America into one country, which helps to end our Constitution. You may even question why it is we are not securing our borders? Because the North American Union would forbid that.

 

[TOJ]

Nevertheless it turned out pretty well, despite them giving up more sovereignty than perhaps they intended.

....

If you say so. I think is turned out well for some and pretty crappy for others.

It would never have happened if they had realized what would result. I don't think trying to convince folks to sign on to something by using deceit is ever a good idea although that is the norm in the USA government (look at projected cost vs actual cost of any government project).

That said, it's really up to the powers-that-be in the countries involved and, to a small extent, their citizens. Its not any real concern of mine if they want to combine their monetary systems, their tax systems. their governments, or any thing else they feel like merging.

We will adapt to work within whatever system is presented and actually the fewer entities to deal with the better. We currently have to get politicains from all three countires (and 50 states in the USA) to shill for us so it should cut down on the effort and money required to make sure we get our slice.

 

[Moon]

It isn't part of Nafta. It is part of the North American Union, which is legislation passed illegally by Bush without a single US citizen vote on it.
It's considered to be part of the One World Order. A New World Order as George Bush Sr. said it would be.

I saw you refer to this before. Can you provide a link to this, because the President doesn't pass legislation, Congress does, and I'd really like to understand what you're referring to.

 

[Iriemon]

We already have an "Amero". It's called the dollar.

Canada and Mexico or whoever else is free to abandon their own currencies and adopt the US dollar as their currency any time they like.

A couple examples where countries did just that:

US dollar to be official currency in East Timor

US dollar to be official currency in East Timor


Ecuador adopts U.S. dollar as national currency

Ecuador adopts U.S. dollar as national currency

Nations maintain their own currencies because they don't want their currency controlled by extranational forces, as well as national pride. Mexico and Canada have maintained their own currencies for the same reason, and I doubt they'd be willing to do so for a currency that regardless of label will be dominated by American policy.

 

[Iriemon]

It isn't part of Nafta. It is part of the North American Union, which is legislation passed illegally by Bush without a single US citizen vote on it.
It's considered to be part of the One World Order. A New World Order as George Bush Sr. said it would be.

It goes back to the start of the 20th century and the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank, which is part of central banking. If you dig into it, you would find it illegal and scary. Basically it's the evil of interest - you borrow money that is created on worthless paper to secure finances that do not exist and then charge interest upon it.

Before the 1920's, you had paper money that would have gold or silver certificate written on it, because money was secured by precious metals. Then after the depression (caused by the banking industry and the stock market. Just like it's happening now) they made a "law" requiring people to surrender any precious metals and give it to the state/government. Basically, they stole the entire country's precious metal cache, which was the only thing of real value. Then they printed new bills that say "legal tender" on it now. It's really worthless. It's value now is controlled by the Federal Reserve who decides how much to print and sets the interest rate upon the money they loan to banks, which lend it to us.

By controlling this, they control a lot of what is going on in the world. "Give me control of a country's finances, and I care not what laws are in place." Something like that.

Well anyway, so then you have this central bank - the master key to all other banks - controlled by a small group of people (the Federal Reserve) and then you have other people controlling other countries reserves. Basically it will melt down to four - North America (the union forming), the Asian market, the Middle East and then European.

Get control of those four banking systems and you control the world.

This currency - Amero - is the first step in consolidating all the countries in North America into one country, which helps to end our Constitution. You may even question why it is we are not securing our borders? Because the North American Union would forbid that.

And we should all be thankful we did get the dollar off a commodity standard, which policy brought us such wonderful events like the great depression.

 

[First Thought]

that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The Constitution gives the CONGRESS the right to coin money, not NAFTA or NATO or UN or whatever stupid organization! This "globalization" or rather, the "world order" is **** and probably the STUPIDEST Idea since the creation of the Federal Reserve.

Irony > you.

 

[Jessica]

I saw you refer to this before. Can you provide a link to this, because the President doesn't pass legislation, Congress does, and I'd really like to understand what you're referring to.

Bush sneaking North American super-state without oversight?
Bush Reaffirms North American Union Agenda At Leaders' Summit
North American Union Already Starting to Replace USA
Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway - HUMAN EVENTS
Overcomer
YouTube - CNN Video:Lou Dobbs Slams CFR & North American Union
YouTube - NORTH AMERICAN UNION

Now, in this last link, pay attention to the part that talks about developing an ID card to track people entering and leaving the US (the same card NIST is developing):
North American Union “Conspiracy” Exposed

 

[Dynamic]

One can only hope such tin foil hat beliefs never come to pass.

I did always find it funny how quick people are to jump on others for their opinions. No matter how crazy they might seem, you really should read and listen to what they're saying. It might help you out one day or perhaps help you understand how some things work later on in life. Doesn't mean you have to agree. But you shouldn't be so quick to call people names because they believe something you do not.

 

[creativedreams]

I for one am for NAFTA and the EU and such a currency as the Amero because I regard them as the necessary steps to becoming a type I global civilization.

Which is, IMO, the greatest challenge to our species (without destroying ourselves.)

I totally agree with unionising North America! I wish this was done a long time ago.

This would help us be a supernation and give us far more influence and ability to help subdue or moderate any worldly disputes.

I also would like to see the world unite as one to help police any violance.
This is also the best way to insure that us humans don't self destruct and are able to allow the many generations to come to live in peace.

If a race from another planet put some fear in us this would happen overnight

 

[Jessica]

I totally agree with unionising North America! I wish this was done a long time ago.

This would help us be a supernation and give us far more influence and ability to help subdue or moderate any worldly disputes.

I also would like to see the world unite as one to help police any violance.
This is also the best way to insure that us humans don't self destruct and are able to allow the many generations to come to live in peace.

If a race from another planet put some fear in us this would happen overnight

That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not want to be responsible for their failing economy when ours certainly is not doing well. I do not want to feed them when we have hungry citizens of our own. I do not want to be responsible for housing them when we have so many of our own that are homeless.

More so, I do not want a new world order and I do not want the super elite to become any more wealthy while the poor keep getting poorer. All this will do is allow them to own the monetary system of Canada and Mexico as well as the US. Enough is enough.

I do not want this, because then we become a slave to a small group of people. There may not be physical chains on us, but we are wearing the chains of debt. The only way this would be a good thing, is if we end the privatization of central banking.

 

[creativedreams]

That is so wrong on so many levels. I do not want to be responsible for their failing economy when ours certainly is not doing well. I do not want to feed them when we have hungry citizens of our own. I do not want to be responsible for housing them when we have so many of our own that are homeless.

More so, I do not want a new world order and I do not want the super elite to become any more wealthy while the poor keep getting poorer. All this will do is allow them to own the monetary system of Canada and Mexico as well as the US. Enough is enough.

I do not want this, because then we become a slave to a small group of people. There may not be physical chains on us, but we are wearing the chains of debt. The only way this would be a good thing, is if we end the privatization of central banking.

I wonder if you would have a different perspective if you weren't lucky enough to be born in America and happened to be born in a poor section of Mexico. Would this give you some hope and vision for your children.

I personally look at the world as a whole...I feel quite lucky to be a rich american, and feel a sense of sorrow for people in the world that have a bad "luck of the draw" on where they were born.

Just as I feel lucky to have been born healty and feel a sense of sorrow for those who were born challenged or handicapped.

My perspective is it will just introduce a broader equation of "The American Dream" and as Industries filter (like osmosis) into the poorer areas of the world it will gradually equalize the working class. This still doesn't put a stop to starting your own business. Just will have more factors to equate.

 

[Jessica]

I wonder if you would have a different perspective if you weren't lucky enough to be born in America and happened to be born in a poor section of Mexico. Would this give you some hope and vision for your children.

I personally look at the world as a whole...I feel quite lucky to be a rich american, and feel a sense of sorrow for people in the world that have a bad "luck of the draw" on where they were born.

Just as I feel lucky to have been born healty and feel a sense of sorrow for those who were born challenged or handicapped.

My perspective is it will just introduce a broader equation of "The American Dream" and as Industries filter (like osmosis) into the poorer areas of the world it will gradually equalize the working class. This still doesn't put a stop to starting your own business. Just will have more factors to equate.

I agree with you on the whole do-good thing, but the reality is that they have a mess to clean up, and they did a poor job of it, and they need to do something about it first. Like their drug cartel crap. Clean that up, and we can talk.

This Amero thing will send us in a depression, the same as every other time we've changed currencies, and not just in the US, but entire world throughout all of history.

It's basically declared the currency of value by fiat, so they print up so much of it, and then stop, and then there is this the demand for new money because the old money just won't do anymore and then you still can't use the old money in Mexico or Canada. If you can, you'll get it at a lesser rate because that's where you make money - money changing.

Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Wessexman]

Eventually it will make sense to combine our currencies to eliminate exchange risks. But it won't happen anytime in the next couple decades. After our economies integrate more, then yes, it will be an excellent idea.

Yes creating larger, more uncontrollable and unaccountable systems is always an excellent idea.