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Not everyone would have been happy with the breakup of the United States in the 1860's had it happened. But many would have been.
Post Tito, and pre Yugoslavian military conflict was much US/NATO/IMF interference aimed at the breakup of Yugoslavia.
Right, because Serbia and Russia were the only big "stakeholders" in Yugoslavia.
This report examines the roles played by Western International Financial Institutions (IFIs), intelligence agencies, militaries and strategic interests in the break up of the Yugoslav Republic.
Analysis
Background
The Yugoslav wars occurred between 1991 and 2001, and involved several conflicts leading to the breakup of Yugoslavia. The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was created at the end of World War II, and consisted of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia and Kosovo.
Setting the Stage
A Political and Economic Crisis
In 1980, longtime dictator of Yugoslavia, Josip Broz Tito died, leading to a leadership crisis.
By 1982, the Yugoslav debt had grown to 20 billion dollars, so the US Ambassador in Belgrade, Lawrence Eagleburger, created a group of individuals known as the “Friends of Yugoslavia” who organized a set of “rescue loans” by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank.[1] However, that same year, the IMF and World Bank had created a new loan agreement, entitled Structural Adjustment Programs (SAPs), which gave the IFIs total control over a country’s economic and even many political decisions. The effect of the SAPs was that they “wreaked economic and political havoc… The economic crisis threatened political stability … it also threatened to aggravate simmering ethnic tensions.”[2]
Breaking Yugoslavia - Geopoliticalmonitor.com
Simpleχity;1064319173 said:Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
I'll try not to tremble in fear as I'm kicking back this summer in Nevsky Prospect.
Tell me when was the last time that any of those nations were flying patrols so close to our borders? Or annexing sovereign territory from another country, as Russia has now done TWICE in the last few years? I know Monte you are the resident Putin fanboy, but they've sure been up to a lot of provocative actions of late.
So all those mass graves didn't play any part in the NATO's decision then hmm?
How nice of them.
Seems like an incomplete story, unless you would provide references that they also had something to do with the actual ethnic cleansing?
Again, instigating the break-up of Yugoslavia precipitated the violence that followed. So you can blame that on Russia all you want, but as you can see, Russia's pushing back, Putin has drawn his line.
So which war hawk on here is ready to go toe to toe with Putin's boys?Simpleχity;1064319173 said:Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
I visited Yugoslavia between 1986 and 1988 and even then they were spoiling for a fight. These people have been unable to live in peace each other for centuries. Theres no need to invoke the culpability of some third party culprit be it Russia or the US to explain what happened in the nineties
I didn't dispute that, in fact what I posted was evidence of the US/NATO/IMF stirring the pot post Tito that culminated in exactly what they were after, the breakup of Yugoslavia.
So in other words you in fact DID dispute that by blaming the west as usual.
What a surprise :roll:
Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
When did I dispute that they were "spoiling for a fight" in the mid 80's? What I posted confirmed it and pointed out those behind it.
Only Tito's iron grip held them together as long as it did so the civil war was only a matter of time . These people didn't need prompting by the West or anyone else kill each other nobody else was 'behind' it. I saw the hate at first hand so I know whereof I speak. Everything bad that happens in the world isn't all the fault of the nasty capitalists comrade
I've already corrected you on that. Believe as you wish.
Simpleχity;1064319173 said:Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
So which war hawk on here is ready to go toe to toe with Putin's boys?
When did I dispute that they were "spoiling for a fight" in the mid 80's? What I posted confirmed it and pointed out those behind it.
Beginning in 1990 Germany and the United States sought and achieved the breakup of Yugoslavia in two stages—1992-1995 and 1998-1999. The German government aimed at this division because it wanted to include as territory of its “vital interest” Slovenia and Croatia, the most economically developed states of the Yugoslavian confederation. These states were old allies in the Second World War (the Ustashi fascist group in Croatia and the nationalists in Slovenia). Through them Germany would achieve access to the Adriatic Sea.
The Breakup of Yugoslavia
Conspiratorial dribble from a Greek conspiracy theorist. Shocking.
Nice try, but the International Action Center was formed by anti-imperialist and former USAG Ramsey Clarke!
I didn't pull the results from a conspiracy site. Whether you agree or not, the poll numbers from Gallup point to Americans growing increasingly wary of both Russia and Putin. Rightfully so IMHO.not really. many of us are sick to death of getting dragged into this kind of ****. Europe needs to handle its own continent, and the same could be argued for the Middle East. we're sitting here with no good national health care program, bridges that were built in the 1950s, and an insufficient electrical grid. we have other **** to do, and we don't need this "i'm a bigger superpower than you" bull**** with Russia. that we're involved in this at all is a mistake, IMO.
Simpleχity;1064319173 said:Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
Simpleχity;1064327368 said:I didn't pull the results from a conspiracy site. Whether you agree or not, the poll numbers from Gallup point to Americans growing increasingly wary of both Russia and Putin. Rightfully so IMHO.
Simpleχity;1064327368 said:I didn't pull the results from a conspiracy site. Whether you agree or not, the poll numbers from Gallup point to Americans growing increasingly wary of both Russia and Putin. Rightfully so IMHO.
*Yawn* its conspiratorial nonsense and no one is buying it. Luckily it doesn't matter.
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