Hadrian
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It’s socialist for farmers who were handed $12B farm bailoutsThe President announced in his State of the Union speech last night that America will never be a Socialist country. That was well said as long as one differentiates between the text book definition of Socialism and the Fox News definition of Socialism.
It is not Socialist to give your working class four weeks of vacation by law. Every country in Europe does this. That doesn't include legal holidays.
It is not Socialist to give your working class sick leave by law. Europe does this.
It is not Socialist to give employees paid family leave. Europe does this.
It appears that Fox News gets to define Socialism as anything that would make employee lives better at a cost.
Europe has many political parties and one of them is Social Democrats. Social Democrats are what our Democratic party was before the lobbyists corrupted them.
I might agree with you if I didn't believe that for trickle down to work it needs to be legislated.
i find it annoying that the US lags behind the rest of the first world when it comes to health care access / costs, basic benefits, job security, and quality of life. however, the way to fix this couldn't be more clear. we have to demand better, and vote as many Republicans out as possible. is that socialism, though? nope. i don't support seizing the means of production and giving it to the workers.
i find it annoying that the US lags behind the rest of the first world when it comes to health care access / costs, basic benefits, job security, and quality of life. however, the way to fix this couldn't be more clear. we have to demand better, and vote as many Republicans out as possible. is that socialism, though? nope. i don't support seizing the means of production and giving it to the workers.
i find it annoying that the US lags behind the rest of the first world when it comes to health care access / costs, basic benefits, job security, and quality of life. however, the way to fix this couldn't be more clear. we have to demand better, and vote as many Republicans out as possible. is that socialism, though? nope. i don't support seizing the means of production and giving it to the workers.
Totally disagree with most of what you said, but you said it well and inoffensively (a rare skill the last couple weeks).
We don't lag so far behind unless you grant the premise used in so many of those "studies". If you read the criteria, they tend to be very biased towards giving things away and state-granted care. Our system is very flawed, but cherry-picking stats for comparison doesn't help things.
The more the government controls producers (job creators), the closer you are to socialism. That does not make all socialist policies evil, but it's hard to draw the line on something creeping in.
I would hate to see us take some tips from Europe and *shudder* end up being like them as a whole. Not all their ideas are bad, but the whole of the place is not somewhere we want to end up falling to.
we lag pretty far behind. our health care is horrendously overpriced, and even having access to it largely depends on where you live and work. our average vacation benefits suck compared to pretty much everyone else in the first world, and we rank low on pretty much every first world quality of life index. fixing that isn't socialism. seizing the means of production and giving it to the workers is real socialism. i don't support doing that.
Wrong. The more they control the means of production the closer you get to communism.
Take some tips from Europe?
You mean like having to list carcinogens that may be in children's products? Is that evil? In the US corporations have free reign to put carcinogens into their products and conceal them under proprietary laws and loop holes like the fragrance loop hole.
You tell me what ****ing capitalist or republican is speaking out against this practice.
We have a whole lot to learn from Europe.
Sorry, was this a reply to me? I can't be sure, since I don't support trickle down, but it might be assumed from my post. Please try to reply with quote so we know who you are addressing.
"Socialism" has become this month's "Caravans". A word being bandied around to scare people. It's dumb. As dumb as when everyone was positively convinced that Obama was going to take everyone's guns away - and for the record, I was guilty of that, too. It never happened. Just like Sarah Palin's death panels never happened.
Wrong. The more they control the means of production the closer you get to communism.
Take some tips from Europe?
You mean like having to list carcinogens that may be in children's products? Is that evil? In the US corporations have free reign to put carcinogens into their products and conceal them under proprietary laws and loop holes like the fragrance loop hole.
You tell me what ****ing capitalist or republican is speaking out against this practice.
We have a whole lot to learn from Europe.
Please try to comprehend before replying. Good luck with that and all.
I do not think so, Obscurity. I think the United States has learned how to overspend tax dollars, over-borrow sovereign debt, stagnate and crumble without taking lessons from the European Union. The only major difference I see between the United States and European Union is that not only do the governments overspend, the governments then force the private sector to overspend on employee benefits.
I think that people need to first define what they mean by "Socialism"
Yes it was. I'm still learning my way around this forum.
What most rightists think socialism is more akin to Stalinist Communism. They literally do not understand the difference, and trying to explain it to them gets you nowhere.
I might agree with you if I didn't believe that for trickle down to work it needs to be legislated.
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