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Amazon Workers Unionize!

OK, but what about simply being slower or more careless than desired?
For the slow employees, especially the ones who like to graze, minimum production standards can be put into the contract.
 
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please identify any historic instances where such economic actions were taken with positive outcomes
 
Many countries no longer use at will employment.

There is plenty of room to compromise on that, like an employee can work at will for 90 days and then be laid off if they can’t do the job, but after then they need to go on contract

So far, that has largely been left up to the several states to decide.
 
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please identify any historic instances where such economic actions were taken with positive outcomes
I literally cited an example in that very post. Read beyond the first line
 
you did not answer the question
here is the question that was posed:
"what would be the crime of amazon developing/implementing robots to do the work people now perfoirm for the company?"
No, you’re changing the economic calculus. Part of doing business in America includes an obligation to Americans as a whole.
where is that obligation to do more than obey the laws established?
 
If they are both working we are back to the 15k per year childcare, per child, or one leaves the workforce, and we are back to 18k/yr earnings, less taxes.

Yep, making a good idea to increase household income before adding dependents.
 
The right to terminate for various employee infractions can and should be negotiated into the union contract.
which causes such termination to no longer be "at will" employment termination
 

Exactly, and with “at will” employment they can more easily be replaced.
 
I don’t think you quite understand how employment works or its purpose.

Yep, doing things which you enjoy are more likely to cost you money than to make you money. Many (who don’t employ others) seem to see the mission of an employer (business) as being to minimize profit and maximize labor costs.
 
Yep, making a good idea to increase household income before adding dependents.
Again, I agree that is smarter, unfortunately it doesn't do a thing for the couple who find themselves with an unexpected pregnancy.
 
Yep, doing things which you enjoy are more likely to cost you money than to make you money. Many (who don’t employ others) seem to see the mission of an employer (business) as being to minimize profit and maximize labor costs.
Well put.
 
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your post indicates the employer should have access to the financial status of its employees, to be in a position to know what financial services are available to the family from the government

otherwise, how would the employer know what is required to be paid to the employee to avoid the employee for being eligible for government financial benefits?

that would then seem to incentivize the employer to decline applicants for employment who have a large family, then requiring a higher wage than other prospects (to avoid the 5X government penalty)

which would then place a larger burden on government to pay benefits to large families who are unable to find work
 
Again, I agree that is smarter, unfortunately it doesn't do a thing for the couple who find themselves with an unexpected pregnancy.
“.. find themselves ...”

The left’s use of the passive voice is often amusing. It’s a bit like having one’s gender “assigned.” Who comes up with this stuff?
 
Because that makes sense.
Yeah, it was a bit snarky. When I was in business I needed to make a profit, but it wasn't necessary to squeeze every dime I could.
 
Many countries no longer use at will employment.

There is plenty of room to compromise on that, like an employee can work at will for 90 days and then be laid off if they can’t do the job, but after then they need to go on contract
hell of an approach

those on the margins would be cut by day 89 and replaced to avoid a long-term employment contract

make marginal employees even less stable. what an outcome!
 
Well it will be an ongoing process of plugging the more egregious loopholes big businesses find, but an easy deterrence will be to mandate any corporation over a certain size must be owned 10% by the government and another 10% owned by the labor union representing the workers, and in my scheme the law will be changed to where business may undertake no anti-unionization measures at all, and any attempt to deter a union will result in massive fines and prison sentences
 
That’s not true, there are Americans today who were born in a period of low immigration and high tariffs.

In the short term it would, but it would be better long term
control-freak government
limiting the options of the consumers
creating scarcity and higher prices
hell of an approach!
 
Yeah, it was a bit snarky. When I was in business I needed to make a profit, but it wasn't necessary to squeeze every dime I could.
Which is your choice, but anyone who runs a business (especially if they're not the owners) really only has two obligations: obey the law and maximize shareholder value. Everything else is secondary.
 
“.. find themselves ...”

The left’s use of the passive voice is often amusing. It’s a bit like having one’s gender “assigned.” Who comes up with this stuff?
You are aware that the only perfect birth control is abstinence, right? No birth control is without failure rates.
 
For the slow employees, especially the ones who like to graze, minimum production standards can be put into the contract.
isn't that what amazon has now?
performance standards that are unrealistic?
 
hell of an approach

those on the margins would be cut by day 89 and replaced to avoid a long-term employment contract

make marginal employees even less stable. what an outcome!
This system works well in Europe. It’s true that marginal employees may be cut at day 89, but no business can stay in business long cutting every worker at day 89. So the vast majority will be put under contract.
 
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