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All things being equal which is the most ideal way for a child to be raised

All things being equal which is the most ideal situation to raise a child?

  • A mother and Father

    Votes: 46 79.3%

  • A gay couple

    Votes: 11 19.0%

  • A single parent

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Total voters
    58


I believe that is the best way yes. That is natures way. And i believe that it is Gods way.
I believe a child ideally should be raised by his/her parents. By a man and a woman.



“Your point? Why don't you go back hundreds of years, even before your lifetime, and compare what was acceptable then, Morally speaking, to what is acceptable now.
Guess what, its called CHANGE, and it happens. Stop being afraid of change.”
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IMO there are many more changes now then back then, morally speaking.
Obviously you think all change is good. I happen to dissagree. You look at sex, pornography, crime, dug usage, adultry, divorce......all worse today.




So you don’t believe the government should have any rules about sexual conduct? Or any conduct for that matter? EVERYTHING GOES?

And if your neighbor wants to have sex with his barnyard animals in HIS backyard……in front of god and everyone its should be acceptable?


You think I want to regulate? Doesn't our government regulate behavior? They make laws that we have to follow. I don’t make rules. I am expressing an opinion that I have every right to express, as you continually do on here as well.

You have no right in my opinion based on your “freedom to do anything we want’ “CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE IS GOOD” to even say sex with animals is disgusting or bad or harmful. Boy are you being judgmental.

Really how dare you……..want to infringe your morality on a person who might think its ok.

I asked you if any sex act should be illegal. You said no. So you think sex acts with animals are ok? :rofl



Everyone has a particular bias. Take you for intance. You cant stand Christians.

And I have the right to be vocal against judges who display what your displaying here. You sure do hate Christians don’t you?




I wouldn’t want my child to be raised by a homosexual or lesbian sorry. And I have just as much right to express my opinion as I said as you do. You are stating your opinion, I am stating mine.

Man....the hatred that people show when someone says they don’t believe in homosexuality? They immediately blame people by labeling them. But you always prove my point, Christians are targeted first.


Curious??????????
Do homosexuals frown on the word “fag”? Or is it acceptable?
For someone who defends homosexuality, I wouldn’t think that you would use the word fag like you do?
 
I believe that is the best way yes. That is natures way. And i believe that it is Gods way.
I believe a child ideally should be raised by his/her parents. By a man and a woman.
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And yet, you cant force your religious beliefs on somebody else.

IMO there are many more changes now then back then, morally speaking.
Obviously you think all change is good. I happen to dissagree. You look at sex, pornography, crime, dug usage, adultry, divorce......all worse today.
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Why are adultry/porn/sex/drug usage and divorce bad? If I'd rather screw the girl next door then my wife or watch Girls Gone Wild 8 or actually have sex with my wife(I'm not married just an example) while smoking weed and simultaniously getting a divorce that lady, is up to me not you.


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God and everyone else have seen worse. I think your next door neighbour and his Donkey will probably be separated by local authorities and people from a mental instution will probably take them away. You're comparing Sex between 2 humans to sex between 2 different animals. There are plenty of registered cases of homosexuality in nature, bulls, bononos and dogs.

You think I want to regulate? Doesn't our government regulate behavior? They make laws that we have to follow. I don’t make rules. I am expressing an opinion that I have every right to express, as you continually do on here as well.
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Yes they also regulate places where you can and cant have guns. Like schools. Remember that?

You have no right in my opinion based on your “freedom to do anything we want’ “CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE IS GOOD” to even say sex with animals is disgusting or bad or harmful. Boy are you being judgmental.
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Whatever people want to do in their homes is up to them. I'll agree with you as far as saying that NOBODY who's not a willing participant should ever watch a man and his pig have sexual relations but if the man and his babe are doing it in the privacy of their home without you or I watching, why does it bother you?

Really how dare you……..want to infringe your morality on a person who might think its ok.

I asked you if any sex act should be illegal. You said no. So you think sex acts with animals are ok? :rofl
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As long as you and I aren't bothered by those acts. Why the hell do you care? I think you're trying to push your morality on other people.

Everyone has a particular bias. Take you for intance. You cant stand Christians.
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Well my mother is a devoted christian and I cant stand her. So no I guess not.

I wouldn’t want my child to be raised by a homosexual or lesbian sorry. And I have just as much right to express my opinion as I said as you do. You are stating your opinion, I am stating mine.
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Yes the difference is your's is outdated. Mine is hip, trendy like N'Sync did you know one of them is gay?

Man....the hatred that people show when someone says they don’t believe in homosexuality? They immediately blame people by labeling them. But you always prove my point, Christians are targeted first.
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LOL You're funny. Arent you the one showing hatred of a different belief and lifestyle by denying people as normal as you or I to have the same rights?
 
Hautey you seem very liberal indeed, not wanting to judge people for their actions….sexually open…….yet you said this…

“I think your next door neighbour and his Donkey will probably be separated by local authorities and people from a mental instution will probably take them away. You're comparing Sex between 2 humans to sex between 2 different animals.“
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Why are you so judgemental ?




A man can slap his wife around? Kids around? Should people be able to do drugs?

Shoudnt the man be able to do it on his property? His own backyard?


“As long as you and I aren't bothered by those acts. Why the hell do you care? I think you're trying to push your morality on other people.”
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And people try to do that to me as well. Its just ok if its left wing liberals doing it, but if your right wing conserative and especially Christian, it’s a different story.


“Well my mother is a devoted christian and I cant stand her. So no I guess not.”
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Wow. How sad. so you can't stand her because she has faith in god. Wow your so nonjudgmental, so openminded. :roll:


“Yes the difference is your's is outdated. Mine is hip, trendy like N'Sync did you know one of them is gay?’
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I’m outdated? Yes I guess I am thank Gosh………Today morals are out……deviant behavior in. Yours is so hip, yours certainly is the PORN GENERATION, I will say that.

Gosh when i was young we respected authority......we respected our parents, never had to worry about getting kidnapped, didnt need to lock our house when we left, no vulgar music, no nudity on television, got to be a child. I am so glad to be 50.
 
doughgirl said:
Hautey you seem very liberal indeed, not wanting to judge people for their actions….sexually open…….yet you said this…

Why are you so judgemental ?
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Doughgirl, I think it's about time you understood something. This is a little awkward, so I'll try to be as gentle as I can.

You suck at sarcasm. I mean, you really do. The problem is that you have to be able to restrain yourself; the key to good sarcasm is walking a line between saying what you really think of your opponent, and appearing polite and understanding. You, however, have no capacity for being polite and understanding with your opponents, because you equate people with their opinions: if someone thinks the right thing, they are a right person, a good person. If someone thinks the wrong thing, they are a wrong person, a bad person. So you have no interest in understanding the other side of an issue, because they're bad people -- and that means you can't build the necessary appearance of sincerity that makes sarcasm work.

In addition, you suck at building logical arguments. All you ever do is build straw men and throw out red herrings -- meaning you exaggerate an argument until it is ridiculous, and then accuse your opponent of holding a ridiculous opinion (the straw man), or you bring in something else that isn't related to the topic at hand in order to distract people from the actual argument (red herring).

Your above quote, for instance, was really crappy sarcasm.



doughgirl said:
A man can slap his wife around? Kids around? Should people be able to do drugs?

Shoudnt the man be able to do it on his property? His own backyard?
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This is both a straw man and a red herring.




doughgirl said:
And people try to do that to me as well. Its just ok if its left wing liberals doing it, but if your right wing conserative and especially Christian, it’s a different story.
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Red herring.



doughgirl said:
Wow. How sad. so you can't stand her because she has faith in god. Wow your so nonjudgmental, so openminded. :roll:
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Crappy sarcasm.



More crappy sarcasm, a bunch of red herrings, and a lie so immense I'm surprised it squeezed through the phone lines, with all this "Back when I was a kid" crap. I'm glad that you were respectful of adults, etc., etc., but society wasn't any different then than it is now. Sexuality may have been more hidden, but it wasn't any different.


What's amazing here is that this is a thread about raising children, and yet all I see is people arguing about homosexuals. I can't understand what any of this has to do with the issue. Either bring out some proof or a logical argument that shows that homosexuals are incapable of raising children, or back off the argument, all of you. Even if homosexuals were deviant and bad and gross (which they aren't) that still wouldn't preclude them from raising children well. Plenty of deviant and bad and gross parents raise perfectly nice children -- I know, I just spent two days meeting all the parents of my students. Some of those people are utterly disturbing, and yet their children, by and large, are very nice young people.

Stick to the issue, folks. Prove that one man and one woman are better at raising children than two men, or two women, or one single person of either sex -- or just go away.
 
doughgirl said:
Hautey you seem very liberal indeed, not wanting to judge people for their actions….sexually open…….yet you said this…

Why are you so judgemental ?
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He said that to articulate the absurdity of equating homosexuality (which is sex between consenting adults) and bestiality. Which you did.

doughgirl said:
A man can slap his wife around? Kids around?
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Sure he CAN, and he will most likely be spending the night in jail.

doughgirl said:
Should people be able to do drugs?

Shoudnt the man be able to do it on his property? His own backyard?
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Absolutely.

doughgirl said:
Wow. How sad. so you can't stand her because she has faith in god. Wow your so nonjudgmental, so openminded. :roll:
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Again, I'm sure he said that to point out the ridiculousness of accusing one of hatred for Christians based on one instance. You don't much much of a capacity for satire do you?

doughgirl said:
I’m outdated? Yes I guess I am thank Gosh………Today morals are out……deviant behavior in. Yours is so hip, yours certainly is the PORN GENERATION, I will say that.
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Morals have never been out, you really need to get over your moral superiority complex. Sanctimoniousness is very unbecoming of a lady, especially one at your age.

What does pornography have to do with morality? Why is the sight of sex so corrupting to you?

doughgirl said:
Gosh when i was young we respected authority......we respected our parents, never had to worry about getting kidnapped, didnt need to lock our house when we left, no vulgar music, no nudity on television, got to be a child. I am so glad to be 50.
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I am inclined to agree with him that you are "outdated."

Authority is to be questioned if it is to be respected. And no one buys that end of days tripe, crime is down and aside from the war things haven't ever been as good as they are now.

If you don't lock your door, you are a fool. If you don't the music, change the station. Same goes for the TV, ain't freedom great that way?
 
CoffeeSaint said:
Stick to the issue, folks. Prove that one man and one woman are better at raising children than two men, or two women, or one single person of either sex -- or just go away.
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You must not know her, she cant prove anything, she will only express her beliefs and insist that her belief gives her the moral high ground and thus the debate.
 
Lachean said:
You must not know her, she cant prove anything, she will only express her beliefs and insist that her belief gives her the moral high ground and thus the debate.
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That and blatantly lie about the facts, villainize her opponents in the most absurd fashion, and play the holy martyr as soon as she is called on it. That's why she's known as saint doughgirl in the abortion threads.
 
Lachean said:
You must not know her, she cant prove anything, she will only express her beliefs and insist that her belief gives her the moral high ground and thus the debate.
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Oh no, I know her quite well; that comment was actually directed at anyone else who is arguing against homosexual parents. I'm fully aware that doughgirl will now splutter and rant her way through a 1,000 word "reply" to my post, in which she'll ask me, over and over, "Is that what you think Coffee? Is that what you want?" as she shuffles across the stage doing the Strawman Two-step.
 
Alright guys, debate the posts, not the posters.....
 
1069 said:
WTF? You can't possibly be serious with this malarkey. :?
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Does everyone else not see a problem with this?
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Why should they? How would we have crawled out of the cave if Jane kept dragging us back in?
Are we all supposed to just sit here grinning and pretending that everyone's entitled to his own opinion and nobody's opinion is any more or less valid than the next person's?
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The majority opinion usually rules and from the don't ask - don't tell... I guess that is the majorties opinion. Here's the difference... hetro's are attracted to the opposite sex for more reasons than simply sex... nature's drive to procreate is equal to the sexual drive... strait's aren't blind and see couples that have grown old and see an older version of their wife to be... yet they get married out of love for each other and to continue the madness... Gays on the other hand are attracted to another gay person for sex... then if they develop strong affection for each other it doesn't lead to anything more than limiting outside relationships with other gays... yes, they may love each other but other than that it's empty... Aparently the desire to raise children is still there ... but why? Their's is a relationship based solely on sex... Buy a pet if you need the feeling of giving care to another living thing... human normal strait kids shouldn't be subjected to your sex based relationship.
 

You are completely off your rocker if you give ANY credence to this line of bullshyte you are trying to feed us. In fact, yes, I extend jerry's challenge a second time...show some sources (sociological, psychological, medical journals...hell even a friggin cosmo quiz) that backs up this absurd notion.

I'll tell you what normal kids shouldnt be subjected to...myopic, self centered, ignorant, mindless drivel like yours.
 

HA!

A cosmo quiz!
:rofl

Better retract that.....you never know what cosmo puts in those rags :lol:
 
Jerry said:
HA!

A cosmo quiz!
:rofl

Better retract that.....you never know what cosmo puts in those rags :lol:
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I thought you might get a kick out of that. :2wave:
 
Jerry said:
Link your source, please.
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Homosexual would indicate based on sex... Using logic one would conclude the relation was not based on procreation... Granted the relationship could be based on commonality and friendship or exist for companionship... but certainly if that is the basis of the relationship I see it not to be conducive to rearing children.

From communicating with a gay dude on a debate site with no rules ... the site is "Whatpissisyouoff" ... the guy told me gays switch partners quite frequently... meet someone they like and shack up then one or the other cheats or they start caring for each other...

The point is the attraction is sex as a single strait male or female not interested in family, as in simply recreational sex... Granted many women involved in recreational sex end up pregnant and a family results. Instincts to procreate and rational responsibility between the couple usually result in a family if love and commitment is involved as the relationship matures. In the case of a gay couple it outwardly appears to be a relationship driven by sex... then careing or love... then hey, why don't we adopt a dog... ah ah Kid. Regardless, I don't think two old maid stump ugly sisters should be able to adopt a child as "something to do"... so I surely wouldn't consider a child introduced in to a more abnormal arrangement in a gay situation.
 

That is the absolute garbage...let me demonstrate by replacing but 4 letters in your whole post...


Would you care to attack reality and logic again?
 
doughgirl said:
I believe that is the best way yes. That is natures way. And i believe that it is Gods way.
I believe a child ideally should be raised by his/her parents. By a man and a woman.
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Hear Ye Hear Ye!!! The great and almighty Doughgirl has stated that virgins should not be allowed to adopt children because it is unnatural for those who have not experienced heterosexual intercourse to raise children!

IMO there are many more changes now then back then, morally speaking.
Obviously you think all change is good. I happen to dissagree. You look at sex, pornography, crime, dug usage, adultry, divorce......all worse today.
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Where do you get that I think all change is good? Are you trying to me into your little strawman arguments???

So you don’t believe the government should have any rules about sexual conduct? Or any conduct for that matter? EVERYTHING GOES?
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No, in a situation where there is an unwilling victim, or if the victim is unable to express willingness than it should be against the law.

And if your neighbor wants to have sex with his barnyard animals in HIS backyard……in front of god and everyone its should be acceptable?
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As long as its not easily viewable to children playing in the neighborhood or by his neighbors than how are you going to find out? Are YOU advocating that the government place cameras all over and put police in the woods behind people's houses trying to spy on them for possible violations of sex laws? Preposterous!

A. Where did I state that we have the "freedom to do anything we want" and "change change change is good"????? Im guessing that you are making baseless assumptions that only help YOU to furthur YOUR agenda by making things up about your debate opponents. Many others in this thread have already called you out on this. So I suggest you adapt a better debate approach that is a bit more honest and stop making up statements for your opponents.

I asked you if any sex act should be illegal. You said no. So you think sex acts with animals are ok? :rofl
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Where did I state that ANY sex act shouldn't be illegal??? Sex with children most certainly should be illegal, and IS. So again you are making things up about your opponents. Good grief. You keep digging yourself a credibility hole.




Everyone has a particular bias. Take you for intance. You cant stand Christians.
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Negative. Its not that I "can't stand Christians". Its that I can't stand self-righeous Christians who think they are better than everyone and that everyone should be/act like THEY think GOD wants them to be. They feel as if thier political opinions are always right because thier church tells them that GOD agrees with thier position. Truth being that nobody knows how GOD feels about things/issues that didn't even exist back 2000 years ago.

And I have the right to be vocal against judges who display what your displaying here. You sure do hate Christians don’t you?
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Nope not christians. Just self-righeous pompous asshole prick christians who think they are better than everyone.

I wouldn’t want my child to be raised by a homosexual or lesbian sorry. And I have just as much right to express my opinion as I said as you do. You are stating your opinion, I am stating mine.
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You do, but it doesn't explain why Homosexual couples are less qualified to raise children. And somehow so poorly qualified not to be allowed by the state to adopt.

Man....the hatred that people show when someone says they don’t believe in homosexuality? They immediately blame people by labeling them. But you always prove my point, Christians are targeted first.
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Thats right, Christians are targeted first when they use thier religion and nothing else for thier hatred towards Homosexuality.


Curious??????????
Do homosexuals frown on the word “fag”? Or is it acceptable?
For someone who defends homosexuality, I wouldn’t think that you would use the word fag like you do?
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:roll: You don't get it do you?
 
This is your quote and not mine... I would think that altering a quote is against the rules... you could have just as easily added your word and used quotation marks to define mine. Neverless, I will attempt to attack reality and logic once again to answer you question...
Would you care to attack reality and logic again?
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The answer is in your quote the word "procreation" is illogical when used with Heterosexual as you used it in your quote. All women who allow a man to have sex with her acknowledges procreation may occur... It doesn't matter if the man is strait or gay... but, all women who have sex with women and all men who have sex with men do not tempt the possibility of procreation.
 

And if you would read and comprehend, you would find that I stated that it was your quote with a change in 4 letters. I also didn't include the "originally posted by" portion of the post, indicating that it wasn't a direct quote.

The answer is in your quote the word "procreation" is illogical when used with Heterosexual as you used it in your quote.
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If procreation doesn't apply to heterosexuals in your version of reality, there isn't much more I can help you with. :roll:

All women who allow a man to have sex with her acknowledges procreation may occur...
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Consent to sex is not necessarily consent to pregnancy. While sex is a requisite of pregnancy, the two issues are exclusive of eachother.

It doesn't matter if the man is strait or gay... but, all women who have sex with women and all men who have sex with men do not tempt the possibility of procreation.
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Obviously I am not taking issue with this assertion. What I am taking issue with is the idea you put forth that two homosexuals cannot have a relationship built on love...the preposterous notion that homosexual relationships are about nothing more than sexual attraction.
 
Okay...I want to ask this:

Why, exactly, is a homosexual couple NOT qualified to adopt/raise children? What list can anyone give to categorically discount homosexuals as adoptive parents?
 
jallman said:
Okay...I want to ask this:

Why, exactly, is a homosexual couple NOT qualified to adopt/raise children? What list can anyone give to categorically discount homosexuals as adoptive parents?
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I think it's because people are afraid of what they do in the privacy of their bedroom

Here is something I found very interesting about child abuse in America.

http://www.yesican.org/stats.html



Does this mean straight parents are incapable of raising children?
 
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I think it really does come right down to that. I can't for the life of me understand why heterosexuals expect privacy in their bedrooms, but homosexuals have their sex lives brought right out into the open whenever the argument is convenient for their opponents.

If a heterosexual couple can keep their bedroom life private until the appropriate age to relate such information, then why is it expected that a homo couple can't do the same?
 

Quick question for you: the basis of this argument seems to be that homosexual relationships cannot be based on the urge to raise children, since they cannot have children of their own, and therefore the only reason for homosexuals to be together is for sex. Couldn't you make this same argument about sterile heterosexual couples? You know, the ones who you would approve of being adoptive parents? Clearly they can't be together to fulfill their biological need to procreate, and if the only other reason that people spend their lives together is for sex, then . . .

How can you allow innocent children to be dragged into such a den of heterosexual iniquity? Of course, the relationship could be based on companionship, commonality, friendship, but none of that makes for good child-rearing, according to your statement above. So are you against adoption, period? Nobody should be raised by anyone other than their birth parents? I'm sure orphans would be very happy to hear that.
 
jallman said:
And if you would read and comprehend, you would find that I stated that it was your quote with a change in 4 letters. I also didn't include the "originally posted by" portion of the post, indicating that it wasn't a direct quote.
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Not a big deal I got what you were saying.

If procreation doesn't apply to heterosexuals in your version of reality, there isn't much more I can help you with. :roll:
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Please go back and re-read what was said... you seem to be dancing on the tip of a pin.

Consent to sex is not necessarily consent to pregnancy. While sex is a requisite of pregnancy, the two issues are exclusive of eachother.
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Agreed, and in many cases either the woman or man may be incapable of causing procreation but in no case are same sex relationships a basis of procreation... my point once again is the M-F is a normal basis of procreation and M-M or F-F is not entering into a situation where procreation is possible nor does the act of these partnership represent the desire to be one that would be expect to rear children.

If you took it that way I appologize... I'm sure gays fall in love, I thought I said that or something close... but as stated above the relationship isn't entered into for the purpose of procreation.

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Okay...I want to ask this:

Why, exactly, is a homosexual couple NOT qualified to adopt/raise children? What list can anyone give to categorically discount homosexuals as adoptive parents?
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Because they live in an arrangment that doesn't support procreation.
It is unnatural in nature for gays to rear offspring.
It places the child(s) in an experimentation with living human beings in an unnatural environment.
Children in unnatural environments be it gay situation or strait couple/single could damage the child mentally.
If society openly accepted out of the closet homosexuality then it may not be unnatural environment for a child ... but homosexuality is not recognized overwhelmingly and therefor the child may suffer verbal mental anguish that affects the childs future.
 
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