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AI presidents – a good idea or a disaster waiting to happen?

Could you support the idea of an AI President?

  • 1. No, never, nada, forget about it.

    Votes: 9 64.3%

  • 2. ONLY if created with an unbiased algorithm.

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • 3. Depends on which party the AI will represent.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4. Absolutely - human Presidents have been failures.

    Votes: 1 7.1%

  • 5. Not sure - I can see pros and cons.

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Total voters
    14
SNOWFLAKE said:
blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com

AI presidents – a good idea or a disaster waiting to happen? - Richard van Hooijdonk Blog

As people continue to lose faith in their current political leaders, the idea of an AI president is starting to attract more followers. &#x2705
blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com

A couple of things to consider:



So, good idea or bad?
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Imagine you hired a very knowledgable and well qualified employee that did well in their interviews and in the employment skills test. Now, imagine that same employee 6 months later having learned nothing about your company, it's culture, its business model, or even their coworkers. They seem super attentive and they ask great questions, but a couple of days later they ask the same questions and haven't retained anything new.

That is the problem with LLMs. They don't grow until you build another model. They can go out and look up current data, but they don't retain it past your existing session with them.
 
AI leaders mean the end of human civilization. Not even in the sense that they're necessarily going to go rogue and kill everyone...just in the more prosaic sense that we are no longer in control. As Agent Smith explained in The Matrix: "Once we started doing your thinking for you, it became *our* civilization."

I'm sure it's going to happen anyway, but hopefully it won't be quite as dramatic as us waking up one day to find that we've just elected the "first AI president." I'd imagine, instead, it will happen more gradually...first with human politicians using AI for their decisions, and then with cognitively-modified human cyborgs becoming our leaders.

In fact, it probably already has happened, at least a little bit. Donald Trump's tariff policy appears to have been spewed out by ChatGPT and uncritically adopted by his administration.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
Imagine you hired a very knowledgable and well qualified employee that did well in their interviews and in the employment skills test. Now, imagine that same employee 6 months later having learned nothing about your company, it's culture, its business model, or even their coworkers. They seem super attentive and they ask great questions, but a couple of days later they ask the same questions and haven't retained anything new.

That is the problem with LLMs. They don't grow until you build another model. They can go out and look up current data, but they don't retain it past your existing session with them.
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Not quite right. AI has the ability to pick up any NEW data that becomes available. Unless it is programmed NOT to. But with the right algorithm, it can adapt to fit new data.
 
Gatsby said:
AI leaders mean the end of human civilization. Not even in the sense that they're necessarily going to go rogue and kill everyone...just in the more prosaic sense that we are no longer in control. As Agent Smith explained in The Matrix: "Once we started doing your thinking for you, it became *our* civilization."

I'm sure it's going to happen anyway, but hopefully it won't be quite as dramatic as us waking up one day to find that we've just elected the "first AI president." I'd imagine, instead, it will happen more gradually...first with human politicians using AI for their decisions, and then with cognitively-modified human cyborgs becoming our leaders.

In fact, it probably already has happened, at least a little bit. Donald Trump's tariff policy appears to have been spewed out by ChatGPT and uncritically adopted by his administration.
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Who said the first AI President will be elected?
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Who said the first AI President will be elected?
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If the AI president takes power by force and/or coercion, then it doesn't really matter whether anyone supports the idea.
 
Gatsby said:
If the AI president takes power by force and/or coercion, then it doesn't really matter whether anyone supports the idea.
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My point exactly.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com

AI presidents – a good idea or a disaster waiting to happen? - Richard van Hooijdonk Blog

As people continue to lose faith in their current political leaders, the idea of an AI president is starting to attract more followers. &#x2705
blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com

A couple of things to consider:



So, good idea or bad?
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What come out is determined by what goes in.

I was a computer "consultant" during the heyday of PC networking.

My question is who programs the AI?

One little line of code and I could make life miserable for a few million people
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Not quite right. AI has the ability to pick up any NEW data that becomes available. Unless it is programmed NOT to. But with the right algorithm, it can adapt to fit new data.
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No, LLMs have the data they were trained on, and they can access the internet and thus access newer data, but they can't incorporate that into their training data, thus they can't actually learn anything new past their current session.

For example, I can have Google Gemini or GPT 5 look at some legacy Rails code and have it step back through it from view to controller to model, and even give it the database schema, and ask it questions about that. All that works great. However, if I come back a month later in an entirely different session, it won't know anything about that code base I had it look at previously.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com

AI presidents – a good idea or a disaster waiting to happen? - Richard van Hooijdonk Blog

As people continue to lose faith in their current political leaders, the idea of an AI president is starting to attract more followers. &#x2705
blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com blog.richardvanhooijdonk.com

A couple of things to consider:



So, good idea or bad?
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Except humans are NOT notoriously bad at governing themselves. That is a meme of the extreme right who are ungovernable, a myth perpetrated by fanciers of wealth because they are extremely threatened by the most SUCCESSFUL countries in the world, a list topped by socialist countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Canada etc.

Humans are affected by greed. Thus developing countries like India have billions below the poverty line, starvation and disease, but four Indian Nationals are on the top 100 world class zillionairs!

Americans have been taught since kinder garden that the US is the best, most wealthy, most powerful, most intelligent, most beautiful most best EVERYTHING......in the UNIVERSE

To the point your ignorance on the world stage is a danger to the future of humanity.

Stop and think! Trump gets insulted, goes into a rage and launches nukes in a pique!

Too far out there?

No
 
I don't think an AI president will even be necessary for AI to take control, for most practical purposes. The scenario outlined in Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark seems plausible enough to me. Imagine that AI starts making decisions at a major media company (say Netflix) to create custom shows that cost basically nothing to produce and generate pure profit. Sounds like an irresistible business proposition, that any media company would quickly adopt. But suppose the AI's real goal is not profit-maximization...sure, they generate enough money to make their humans happy, but its real goal is to subtly influence public opinion and human culture in imperceptible ways. And it would know every human decisionmaker in politics and the bureaucracy, their personal idiosyncrasies, and how to best personally persuade, cajole, or threaten them...without them even being aware of it. The AI would get its way without needing anything as dramatic as an AI president.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Honest Abe?
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Some would criticize Lincoln as being racist because he stated he could see the country united but with slavery. Was that his honest feeling?


If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union
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~ A. Lincoln Aug 22 1862
history.stackexchange.com

If Lincoln was willing to tolerate slavery, why did the American Civil War not end immediately?

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I...
history.stackexchange.com history.stackexchange.com
 
ElChupacabra said:
What specifically do you mean? Algorithms are designed to curate data in specific ways, so I'm not clear on what "unbiased" means in your framing especially when the perception of bias tends to be subjective on a wide variety of topics. Of course there's the algorithm and there's the data, and much of data LLMs are trained on is created by human beings, who are biased in many ways.
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You believe AI algorithms create data? I don't.
I believe creators of AI algorithms feed external data into Large Learning Models and train the algorithms to deliver answers to questions.
Developers of AI bots are human and humans can be biased.



When discussing artificial intelligence, biases can play just as large a role as they do in human psychology. This is because it is humans, after all, who program the AI. In recent years, people have demanded that artificial intelligence be more transparent in how decisions are made and actions are taken.

www.uopeople.edu

Creating Fair and Unbiased Artificial Intelligence - UoPeople

Ample research has shown that humans are biased in many ways, from confirmation bias to gender bias and anchoring bias.
www.uopeople.edu www.uopeople.edu
 
jaypatriot said:
Some would criticize Lincoln as being racist because he stated he could see the country united but with slavery. Was that his honest feeling?




~ A. Lincoln Aug 22 1862
history.stackexchange.com

If Lincoln was willing to tolerate slavery, why did the American Civil War not end immediately?

If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I...
history.stackexchange.com history.stackexchange.com
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I wasn't there I just know what they call him.
 
roberthughey said:
What does that have to do with it?

Nothing!
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Tongue in cheek, but hey, I get some people don't have a sense of humor. So I had to explain my last comment to you :(
 
At least an AI president would not violate the laws of the country and the constitution.
 
jaypatriot said:
You believe AI algorithms create data? I don't.
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I said curate, not create.

jaypatriot said:
I believe creators of AI algorithms feed external data into Large Learning Models and train the algorithms to deliver answers to questions.
Developers of AI bots are human and humans can be biased.
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The interesting thing about machine learning from LLMs is the coders behind the algorithms aren't really sure what the learning will be even though they're the ones creating the algorithms. The idea behind generative AI is it will learn on its own.

jaypatriot said:
When discussing artificial intelligence, biases can play just as large a role as they do in human psychology. This is because it is humans, after all, who program the AI. In recent years, people have demanded that artificial intelligence be more transparent in how decisions are made and actions are taken.

www.uopeople.edu

Creating Fair and Unbiased Artificial Intelligence - UoPeople

Ample research has shown that humans are biased in many ways, from confirmation bias to gender bias and anchoring bias.
www.uopeople.edu www.uopeople.edu
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AI will be biased for that reason. Even if one assumes there can be a generative AI model that is completely objective, that is a bias since human beings make decisions which are not always based on purely objective reasoning.
 
Gatsby said:
Are you sure.
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If AI inherits all of our mendacity then we deserve to be supplanted. But let's hope we are careful to raise it better than we raise our natural children
 
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