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“The decision means that same-sex married couples will have access to some federal benefits, but will not have access to the full range of marriage benefits due to state marriage bans,” said Mark Daley, a spokesperson for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
After DOMA, gay couples still would not receive many federal benefits - First Read
this is why the fall of DOMA will aid in getting equal rights nationalized.
All its going to take now is some court cases here and there to pave the way.
SO many scenarios can now push the issues and shine light on the fact this is inequality.
The process will now be faster and soon all states will have to end their discrimination.
If discrimination against a right was actually going on. It isn't.
If gay marriage doesn't affect you at all, why do you care?
If discrimination against a right was actually going on. It isn't.
the courts disagree with you :shrug:
Some courts.
2.) And to my knowledge they haven't agreed that Gay Marriage is a right
3.) otherwise the Supreme Court would have ruled as such.
4.) To my knowledge, correct me if I am wrong, they didn't.
There is equal rights, the people in states that voted and support SSM bans have every right to do so. SSM is not this over-hyped "equal rights" mantra that many want to push. It's a social issue that redefines legal marriage that people can support or not support and have those beliefs upheld in law.
1.) yep which starts the path way to equality and ending discrimination
2.) they havent even discussed it, they only agree MARRIAGE is a right
3.) false not how it works
4.) correct the full issues has not been pushed to the supreme court only some states supreme courts where they did rule it violates rights and equality
so like i said.
the courts disagree with you and you are wrong
So what you are saying is that you are alright with the tyranny of the majority even though it infringes on the freedom and liberty of others?
There is equal rights, the people in states that voted and support SSM bans have every right to do so. SSM is not this over-hyped "equal rights" mantra that many want to push. It's a social issue that redefines legal marriage that people can support or not support and have those beliefs upheld in law.
Actually you agreed with me. I never said SOME courts disagree. But it is not the law of the land, just some leftist states.
again when pushed courts dont seem to agree with you
eventually the discrimination will fail, all it is gonna take is some court cases and pushing the issue
for example if im married to my wife in PA and we are granted all the state and federal rights but then she is traveling in SC and gets in a car accident is it right for them not to notify me to make medical decesions if that state does recognize my marriage?
what if she dies? can they just not tell me since they dont see us as married?
of if i go there to i not have visitation rights since in that state we arent married?
etc etc etc
it will be cases like these and 1000 other possibilities that will end stat discrimination and it will be even easier with the fall of DOMA.
Granting equal rights is coming soon, it may not be around the corner but ending doma and granting federal rights is the foundation and launching pad. When its pushed the courts will have trouble ruling any other way.
No, what I'm fine with is people voting and having their beliefs put into law on social issues. I view it as tyranny to override that process because a minority didn't get their way in some states.
1.)The courts did not reverse the bans in states that have legal traditional marriage.
2.) Largely the courts did agree with me
3.) I wanted DOMA struck down because it prevented federal marriage benefits from states that legalize SSM.
4.) I have supported that SSM is a state issue and that it's appropriate either way to redefine marriage to include SSM or to uphold the traditional definition of marriage and not recognize same sex relationships.
again when pushed courts dont seem to agree with you
eventually the discrimination will fail, all it is gonna take is some court cases and pushing the issue
for example if im married to my wife in PA and we are granted all the state and federal rights but then she is traveling in SC and gets in a car accident is it right for them not to notify me to make medical decesions if that state does recognize my marriage?
what if she dies? can they just not tell me since they dont see us as married?
of if i go there to i not have visitation rights since in that state we arent married?
etc etc etc
it will be cases like these and 1000 other possibilities that will end stat discrimination and it will be even easier with the fall of DOMA.
Granting equal rights is coming soon, it may not be around the corner but ending doma and granting federal rights is the foundation and launching pad. When its pushed the courts will have trouble ruling any other way.
The courts did not reverse the bans in states that have legal traditional marriage. Largely the courts did agree with me, I wanted DOMA struck down because it prevented federal marriage benefits from states that legalize SSM. I have supported that SSM is a state issue and that it's appropriate either way to redefine marriage to include SSM or to uphold the traditional definition of marriage and not recognize same sex relationships.
No, what I'm fine with is people voting and having their beliefs put into law on social issues. I view it as tyranny to override that process because a minority didn't get their way in some states.
its not ok voting on equality, discrimination, rights etc and thats why when pushed these votes are thrown out and its exactly the opposite of tyranny.
Why should people's freedoms and liberties be decided by others? The only way in which people should have curbs on their freedoms is if those actions were to infringe on the liberty of others (eg rape, murder, and the like). By putting people's freedoms and rights up to the people, what you are doing is effectively showing that you do not care about freedom or liberty for individuals and would welcome a tyranny of the majority.
The courts did not reverse the bans in states that have legal traditional marriage. Largely the courts did agree with me, I wanted DOMA struck down because it prevented federal marriage benefits from states that legalize SSM. I have supported that SSM is a state issue and that it's appropriate either way to redefine marriage to include SSM or to uphold the traditional definition of marriage and not recognize same sex relationships.
you said no discrimination is going on, you are wrong :shrug:
this fact will not change
1.)We can label anything as "equality, discrimination, and tyranny." I could go on and on about how it's tyranny to have a progressive tax system that discriminates against the wealthy by making them pay a higher percentage of their income, people vote on tax issues that do not impact them because they are in lower financial brackets.
It's tyranny that someone is subject to a higher rate than someone else because the majority got their way politically.
2.)I think many in the pro-SSM camp have done a fantastic job at contorting the issue by completely demonizing their opponents as if they are akin to the racists during the civil rights movement and highlighting some kind of persecution complex that people buy into. It's over-hyped.
3.) The fact of the matter is that it's a social issue, not this equal rights issue where a minority is strongly discriminated against. No one makes gays sit in the back of the bus, it's not illegal to be gay, there aren't separate schools for gays and the enjoy the same exact rights and freedoms as every other citizen.
4.) What some states won't do is alter and change the definition of marriage to recognize homosexual unions as a marriage because the people in that state support the traditional, default definition for our nation.
3.)With a democracy the political minority looses, that's just how it works. In a Republic the states have rights.
no comment on my examples i gave you? interesting
I did say that you are correct.
2.)And realistically there is no discrimination.
3.)Do courts agree? Not all of them.
4.)However, just because a court says something doesn't make it so, it just makes it law,
5.) right or wrong.
6.) That being said, everyone already has the right to marry.
you could TRY but the trick is getting it to the courts and having them decided and when this has happened its been labled as discrimination and a violation of equality.
2.) yes the bigotry and discrimination is made up and doesnt really exists. It is a civil rights issues and when pushed this has been the decision. :shrug:
3.) 100% wrong thats not a fact thats your opinion that has no support when actually pushed to the courts
4.) to think gays arent discriminated against is pure ignorance and or dishonesty. saying they have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else when examples of what you say doesnt happen can be found is inane.
5.) they will have to sooner or later equality is coming, and when this issues as reached state supreme courts its exactly what happened, the states werent allowed to discriminate.
6.) good think we arent a complete democracy then and the fed protects our rights, the states do have rights but they dont have free reign to do what they want, thats why when pushed they lost so far.
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