African union project

[cherokee]

While this story is older then 48 hours its important news just the same.


Senegal's Wade emphasises need to form federal Africa govt
Accra - 03/07/2007
Accra, Ghana (PANA) - The ninth African Union ordinary summit is expected to end here on Tuesday afternoon with the adoption of a clear strategy for the formation of an African federal government within six months.

The summit had carried on the debate between African leaders on the formation of the African federal government during the second closed- door session held on Monday afternoon while bilateral and multilateral consultations continued until late Monday night.

At a meeting with African women's organisations, Senegalese President Abdoulaye Wade said all African countries expressed, during the Debate, their support for the formation of the African federal government.

He however revealed the existence of some disagreements about national sovereignty and the links made by some leaders between political integration and achieving economic integration in the first place.

Sources noted that the Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi who is one the proponents of the step-by-step move, said during the second closed-door session: "most of us are apparently supporting the African union project".

The Senegalese president stressed that the reluctance about national sovereignty and economic integration must not delay the formation of the African federal government, noting that such were futile pretexts.

http://www.afriquenligne.fr/news/daily_news/senegal's_wade_emphasises_need_to_form_federal_africa_govt_200707031475/

 

[Donkey1499]

Please forgive my stupidity, but they want to take a bunch of African countries and make one big country? But each country still has its borders and they act like states? Or would it be more like the EU?

 

[bhkad]

Please forgive my stupidity, but they want to take a bunch of African countries and make one big country? But each country still has its borders and they act like states? Or would it be more like the EU?

Yes, I believe more like the EU.

http://www.africa-union.org/root/au/memberstates/map.htm

(This is a pretty cool interactive map!)

 

[Jerry]

While this story is older then 48 hours its important news just the same.

Scripture unfolding.

This will be one of the ten divisions of the coming NWO. Add this one to the European Union and the coming North American Union.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Scripture unfolding.

This will be one of the ten divisions of the coming NWO. Add this one to the European Union and the coming North American Union.

And the End marches closer. Who will be Left Behind?

 

[Kandahar]

It'll never happen. Africa is NOT Europe. The European Union works because there aren't a lot of major political differences between the nations.

Furthermore, they are all interdependent on one another as trade partners...the African nations are not. They're much more dependent on Europe and America than they are on each other.

Finally, African nations haven't even gotten their own internal strife under control yet. How would a supernational government not make this problem 100 times worse? You don't see a lot of sectarian strife in the EU...sure, there are occasional problems like the IRA and ETA, but Europe doesn't have any major civil conflicts.

If many Africans don't even trust the other ethnic groups within their own nation, why would they trust an ethnic group on the other side of the continent?

 

[Jerry]

And the End marches closer. Who will be Left Behind?

Never read it, never saw it, couldn't tell ya.

 

[bhkad]

It'll never happen. Africa is NOT Europe. The European Union works because there aren't a lot of major political differences between the nations.

Furthermore, they are all interdependent on one another as trade partners...the African nations are not. They're much more dependent on Europe and America than they are on each other.

Finally, African nations haven't even gotten their own internal strife under control yet. How would a supernational government not make this problem 100 times worse? You don't see a lot of sectarian strife in the EU...sure, there are occasional problems like the IRA and ETA, but Europe doesn't have any major civil conflicts.

If many Africans don't even trust the other ethnic groups within their own nation, why would they trust an ethnic group on the other side of the continent?

The representatives from all the member nations all say they favor the idea.

And would it mean anything to you to know this idea was first proposed by Libya's Khadafi?

 

[Kandahar]

The representatives from all the member nations all say they favor the idea.

They all say that, but they won't do what's necessary to make it happen.

And would it mean anything to you to know this idea was first proposed by Libya's Khadafi?

Ya I know that. Doesn't really change anything about the plan. Modeling themselves on the EU simply will not work, because the countries are not economically dependent on one another in the way that the EU countries are. Therefore they have little incentive to cooperate with each other.

Why would, say, Mali want to form a government with Botswana? The two have almost nothing in common. It would be like Jamaica trying to form a union with Bhutan.

 

[bhkad]

Why would, say, Mali want to form a government with Botswana? The two have almost nothing in common. It would be like Jamaica trying to form a union with Bhutan.

Why would Cuba ever form a union with the USSR?

Why would Venezuela ever form a union with Iran?

To provide for their common defense and promote their general welfare.

 

[GarzaUK]

I can't see Muslim North Africa united with Christain sub-Sahara Africa. Just can't see it at this moment and time.

 

[Kandahar]

Why would Cuba ever form a union with the USSR?

Why would Venezuela ever form a union with Iran?

To provide for their common defense and promote their general welfare.

Alliances are not the same thing as unions.

 

[jujuman13]

Quote by GarzaUK
(I can't see Muslim North Africa united with Christain sub-Sahara Africa. Just can't see it at this moment and time.)

And yet who could possibly have foreseen an ostensibly Christian N. America apparently united with a definitively Muslim Saudi Arabia?

The obvious answer is that MONEY rules all unions.

 

[Hatuey]

The representatives from all the member nations all say they favor the idea.

And would it mean anything to you to know this idea was first proposed by Libya's Khadafi?

An "African Union" idea has been around since Malcolm X. The plan was to create a big *** one way field trip back to Africa and get all African countries to work together. Now as dreamy as this might seem to African Nationalists it would NEVER work. Why? Because black people in America think they have it rough in America but they have no idea how rough Africa is. I've been to Ghana, one of the most "stable" countries in Africa and even there people suffer on a daily basis. Some villages don't have running water or electricity and most people think thats just certain parts of Africa. Thats everywhere in Africa. You could go 1000 miles in any direction in Africa and you'd still hit at least 100 villages with no water. You'd hit places where people still believe in holy men. All those African Nationalists who talk about going back to Africa and living in an Utopian paradise will get a serious wake up when there are 7 African dudes in a Toyota 4x4 firing old Ak47s into the air. It's not fun. It's scary and will definitely give you an upset stomach. Africa countries need to get their **** together before they even think of creating some kind of union.

 

[Jerry]

I can't see Muslim North Africa united with Christain sub-Sahara Africa. Just can't see it at this moment and time.

If California and South Dakota can be under the same union.....

 

[cherokee]

No its not Europe, its Africa. Does that mean its destined to be an automatic failure?
Africa has its own resources to build a great nation. That internal strife was caused by the France, GB and Belgium. What could be worse then having your identity stripped from your people, your land carved up and forced to become slaves in your own country. You can’t make Africa worse then it already is and has been.
Even if you say thousands would be killed, that doesn’t compare to the millions that have been slaughtered. Personally I would rather die for freedom then nothing at all or because of my name or better yet the shape of my skull.

I know President Wade, he’s a good man and truly wants to see Africa become war free. He has a dream, a good dream. I heard another man who had a dream and he used it in a speech. "I Have a Dream".

I wonder what would happen to the African war machine if all the foreign interests were kicked out. The people who control most of their resources.

 

[Kandahar]

No its not Europe, its Africa. Does that mean its destined to be an automatic failure?

No. But it DOES mean that it can't succeed as a single nation, any time in the forseeable future.

Africa has its own resources to build a great nation. That internal strife was caused by the France, GB and Belgium. What could be worse then having your identity stripped from your people, your land carved up and forced to become slaves in your own country. You can’t make Africa worse then it already is and has been.

I beg to differ. You can ALWAYS make a place worse than it already has been. And having its own resources has nothing to do with whether or not it can function as a single nation.

Even if you say thousands would be killed, that doesn’t compare to the millions that have been slaughtered. Personally I would rather die for freedom then nothing at all or because of my name or better yet the shape of my skull.

And what does this have to do with an African Union? Even putting aside the genocide that would certainly ensue, there's the fact that the government simply would not function properly.

I know President Wade, he’s a good man and truly wants to see Africa become war free. He has a dream, a good dream. I heard another man who had a dream and he used it in a speech. "I Have a Dream".

Ya, being a "good man" doesn't mean that he's right. There's no way an African Union could ever work.

I wonder what would happen to the African war machine if all the foreign interests were kicked out. The people who control most of their resources.

There are very few "foreign interests" in Africa today, except for other African countries. That's Africa's biggest problem. While at one time, colonialism played a role in Africa's poverty, that is not true today. Africa's current problems stem from civil war, rampant disease, and unbelievable economic mismanagement by their own governments.