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Affirmative Action

Is affirmative action necessary in today's society?

  • Yes, it bridges the disparity between minority and non-minority students and workers

    Votes: 5 8.5%

  • Yes, it is important for the social welfare and diversity of the country

    Votes: 4 6.8%

  • No, it encourages individuals to identify themselves as "disadvantaged"

    Votes: 25 42.4%

  • No, it provides a basis for "reverse-discrimination"

    Votes: 34 57.6%

  • No, it is devalues the accomplishments of both those who it benefits and those it does not

    Votes: 31 52.5%

  • It is necessary for gender, but not race

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • It is necessary for race, but not gender

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Other, please specify

    Votes: 9 15.3%
  • Total voters
    59
TurtleDude said:
What exactly did Obama really accomplish on his own?
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that harvard law review position
senate seat
presidency
nobel prize for peace
nothing notable there in your very biased view i take it

being a puppet for a corrupt dem machine?
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yes. i noticed how he rolled over and allowed hillary to take the white house as had been widely anticipated
how he called bill out for making racially tinged comments
what a dem puppet

A harvard law review president who was not able to have an article published in the law review?
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you do know that position does not anticipate that his material being entered. ooops, i forgot, only someone who was familiar with the law would understand that. you are excused

a guy who didn't clerk for the supreme court when his race and presidency would have guaranteed an offer from one of the liberal justices?
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so now you expect him to use his race to his advantage. would you please make up your mind whether you are for or against that kind of activity

a "lecturer" at Chicago when most HLR Presidents went in as tenure track professors.
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what a dummy he was. didn't he see that his choice of career track was going to propel him into the white house with the added honor of being awarded the Nobel peace prize
he should have followed your direction instead. no doubt that would have taken him farther

for someone who wants to try to counter my logical arguments with infantile pesonal insults--you ought to establish what sort of trade and "skoolin" you have that puts you in a position to utter such rants
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i would love for you to actually make a logical argument. then this would be a true debate and i would no longer fell like i am taking advantage of your very obvious weakness. as it is, your comments are so sophomoric and insubstantial i force myself to type rebuttals to your posts slowly, with but one hand, in the hopes you will catch up
 
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There is no amount of education that is necessary to realize that making it big in the NBA or on Def Jam records is akin odds-wise to hitting the lottery. Would you live your life on the premise that you'll eventually make it big doing nothing but buying tickets at the local lottery store? I would assume no, as would I. However, if that's what they want to do, they have that right. I also have a right not to be financially punished by their mental ineptitude and laziness.

All I'm saying is that everyone has paths. If they don't want to take the "right path" because it's too damn hard, that's not my problem. They can live in squalor and dodge bullets in the ghetto and I'll sleep well in spite of that. Be careful what you wish for.


Of course there's not equality of opportunity. All men were not created equal, despite what an archaic piece of paper says. Even after they're created, they become less equal. My argument is that, while some people may have longer and harder paths to success, they still have the path. For all the disadvantages they have, they are given plenty of advantages too. It'll never be equal; to think otherwise is foolish idealism. My argument is that it's still a possibility.

I grew up latchkey with a mom who dropped out and made slightly above minimum wage doing factory grunt work. I could've very easily just eeked through high school and jumped into some manual labor job and dodged a TON of the hardships I faced as a lower-middle class white male trying to claw his way to a degree with high honors. I'm not a movie of the week. I'm not a morality story. I'm just a guy who saw his mother and his life, and wanted more. And I had absolutely no problem sacrificing for it.

If someone wants to take the path of least resistence, they won't get a damned bit of sympathy from me.
 
Kelzie said:
I was. Still wonder some times. I think it would suit my personality, but the price and the length of law school is turning me off right now.

I was mostly just sucking up so you would go easy on me next time we debate.:mrgreen:
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why go easy on you--you don't need "affirmative action". :mrgreen::mrgreen:
 

LOL so tell me what he did to EARN that Nobel Prize


my grades were far higher than Obama's coming out of college--I didn't need affirmative action to get into major law schools

Do you really believe a white guy would have been able to get into Harvard with a B/B+ average?


You confuse getting something despite being black vs getting something because you are black.

Obama is nothing more than a puppet and he certainly was not anywhere near the most qualified person to get what he has been given
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL so tell me what he did to EARN that Nobel Prize
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seems you have a quibble with the Nobel award committee
but show us your Nobel, so that we can see your objection is not out of envy


my grades were far higher than Obama's coming out of college--I didn't need affirmative action to get into major law schools
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yes, from the "depth" of your posts i can observe how amazing you are

Do you really believe a white guy would have been able to get into Harvard with a B/B+ average?
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and that he would make harvard review on top of it
or then go on to be a senator
then be elected president, the most powerful person in the world
and a Nobel winner
think how much better Obama would have performed if he had only earned "A"s


You confuse getting something despite being black vs getting something because you are black.
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you are the one who is confused. first, you object to AA, then you complain because Obama did not use his race to his advantage to get prime clerking opportunities
don't let your law school see your posts ... they would be profoundly disappointed by the absence of logic and the presence of inconsistency

Obama is nothing more than a puppet and he certainly was not anywhere near the most qualified person to get what he has been given
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a puppet requires a puppeteer to be effective. fill us in on who is Obama's puppeteer. for dubya bin lyin it was cheney with his hand up the shrub's ass. who plays that role with Obama?
and since - in your legal opinion, of course - Obama was not the most qualified person to get what he has been given, tell us who should have received those gifts instead
this should be rich
thanks for playing
 
justabubba said:
one look at that sentence and it is obvious why you were declined for the teaching position
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Moderator's Warning:
Knock off the personal attacks or there will be further consequences.
 
justabubba said:
yes, from the "depth" of your posts i can observe how amazing you are

don't let your law school see your posts ... they would be profoundly disappointed by the absence of logic and the presence of inconsistency
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Look, I'm sure it's not necessary and that TurtleDude can defend himself, but this is just uncalled for and comes off as more than a little petty.

You can agree with AA all you want, but there's no reason to personally insult TurtleDude, unless you can't debate the subject logically.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Moderator's Warning:
Knock off the personal attacks or there will be further consequences.
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he placed himself as the subject for comment noting in his own circumstance how he was the victim of affirmative action

my observation of his run-on sentence and correlating that to his nonselection for a teaching position does not appear to be a mean or inappropriate rebuttal

dole out your further consequences, as i could not allow the misperceived illegitimacy of my rebuttal to stand without this self defense
 

so you think a chat board should require grammar and spelling equivalent to what one would use in a scholarly journal? In my experience, grammar nazis basically are conceding they do not have a legitimate response

The fact is, my personal situation aside, there is absolutely no dispute that affirmative action has, over the last 40 years or so, resulted in highly qualified white, jewish and asian students being passed over in favor of far less qualified black students. Same with jobs-we all remember the New Haven situation where white firefighters were denied promotions because they passed tests and the blacks couldn't.
 

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emdash said:
I don't really get it.
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Neither do I.

It is a shame how people who speak out how the "welfare mentality" and blaming others for our own faults is attacked as racist.

Bill Cosby, spoke out on it and he was attacked just the same. And yet he opened doors for black entertainers in (at the time) a whites only industry. He was the first black man in a lead role on television with his show "I Spy" and yet he was attacked by blacks and whites alike for speaking the truth.

Chris Rock was booed by some for pointing out it's not the media waiting outside his door to rob him.

Time for the victimization of my race to stop, and it needs to start with us as a people. We need to show we can compete on a level playing field and win. The first blacks in the military through much adversity rose to the occasion and did just that. We need more examples like the 54th Massachusetts and the Tuskegee airman. Examples of blacks willing to overcome and not let racial hatred slow them down or stop them from attaining something in life.

They did not make excuses, why do others have to?

PS I posted this in the basement as well. Since it is my own statement and I originally wanted to post it here, I hope it is OK?
 
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Kali said:
I said some Amish and guess you are the one who knows nothing. Go out to Utah and it is a fact a lot of them are on welfare. Now they may know who their millions of childrens baby daddy are? But sometime it may be Creep Old Uncle Ted. :roll:
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Do you mean Mormons?
 

Love Bill Cosby. Have ever since I was a kid with the Cosby show and my respect for him has only grown as I have grown more mature. Well...older at least!
 
Kelzie said:
Love Bill Cosby. Have ever since I was a kid with the Cosby show and my respect for him has only grown as I have grown more mature. Well...older at least!
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Same here.
 

Chris Rock makes his living off making racist jokes. He is a really good example. Not. :roll:

Also it is telling how you call people of your own race "niggaz".. Says a lot about you.
 
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But then people would just bitch and groan about it is now how we are giving stuff to the poor folks

Of course some of the folks in this thread that do not understand racism and the need for A.A. probably think people are poor because it is their own fault.

Yeah right. Tell that to a little kid who momz is outta work and no food in the house to eat. It is his fault! Not:roll:

Same with people who cannot get out of the hood-it is all their fault. The hell it is
 

Total B.S. Most of those polygamy groups out in Utah are on welfare. I should have said Mormons not Amish. There is also a big underground of pedophila going on with a lot of them and some do not even try to hide it by marrying off their young women at very young ages. Not to mention the inbreeding factor. :shock:

Totally OT though.
 
Bill Cosby was attacked because he seems to have fallen out of touch with his own culture. He is just another old geezer who does not "get" the younger generation.
 
emdash said:
Do you mean Mormons?
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Yes. Sorry if I offended the Amish. Not like they are reading as most of em are not on the evil interwebz? :2razz:
 
Kali said:
Yes. Sorry if I offended the Amish. Not like they are reading as most of em are not on the evil interwebz? :2razz:
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Yeah I think you're pretty safe. :2razz:
 
Kali said:
Yes. Sorry if I offended the Amish. Not like they are reading as most of em are not on the evil interwebz? :2razz:
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:rofl It's funny cuz it's true!

For real though, they make the best pie. mmmm
 
Kali said:
Bill Cosby was attacked because he seems to have fallen out of touch with his own culture. He is just another old geezer who does not "get" the younger generation.
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He was attacked because the younger generation don't like their own shortcomings pointed out to them.
 
Cephus said:
Agreed, but then again, you'd have to stop blacks from referring to themselves as the "black community" wouldn't you?
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I do see your point. but I have found that if you just allow people to vent, with out objection, or ridicule, they often get it all out of their system, and chill out. the problem is, we often just add more wood to the fire. I feel people can get un-pissed, in the same shorts they got pissed in. I don't really care. I have problems of my own, that I try to ignore.
 
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