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So mental disorders do not exist unless they are diagnosed? There are not happy, law abiding sociopaths in society that have not been diagnosed?
Every American has the same right to marry any member of the opposite sex that will have them. That is reality
It is not ignorance. Weak people kill themselves. The topic is gay people killing themselves because they are afraid to come out or are being bullied. That is not a mental illness, that is weakness.
Why would anybody care what anybody else says about them? Weakness.
If you identify with weakness, that is yor thing.
Where did you get that idea?
Polls are one thing and voting is another.
So to counter a bias of one kind, she introduces a study biased opposite. Why not a study that is unbiased either direction.
She quotes another document, "It is well known that many people, including physicians, react in an exaggerated way to sexual deviations and particularly to homosexuality with disgust, anger, and hostility. Such feelings often arise from the individual's own conflict centering about his unconscious homosexual impulses. These attitudes may interfere with an intelligent and objective handling of the problem." Thus establishing her own bias against such attitudes. If her goal was to be unbiased, that whole section would be unnecessary and should not of been included.
So we have a study with sanitized control groups and a biased researcher. If the study was on any other subject, what would your opinion of such a study be?
Just like a liberal, run to the courts when you don't get your way. Bring on the Constitutional Amendment and you aren't going to like the outcome
Yeah, but of course there is an unspoken codecil to CC's claim - *if our system worked that way. The simple fact is, in most states, a majority of voters are against homosexual marriage.
And everyone in existence has been diagnosed and none lead happy lives? Ok, got you.
No. You said:
I gave you an example of a behavior common to male homosexuals that causes "distress and dysfunction". You are just trying to deflect from the fact that it does in fact cause "distress and dysfunction".
So, in accordance with your own statement, "For something to be considered a mental illness it needs to cause distress and dysfunction" and the fact that anal sex, which is a common behavior of male homosexuals, does cause distress and dysfunction, which is proven by the fact that medically is known to cause injury and dysfunction, then you are, in fact, saying that homosexuality is a mental illness. When your statements, that have been quoted here, are taken together, that is the meaning they express.
Reality is this is a failed argument. Why do people get married? When you can honestly answer that and then see if there is equity between straight and gay couples, you'll understand why your line of reasoning fails.
No, the only poll that matters is the national poll. Just because certain rightist states remain opposed doesn't alter the fact that the majority of the population supports SSM.
Reality is this is a failed argument. Why do people get married? When you can honestly answer that and then see if there is equity between straight and gay couples, you'll understand why your line of reasoning fails.
Poll numbers: >50% have supported it since around 2011.
Half of Americans Support Legal Gay Marriage
Gay marriage support hits new high in Post-ABC poll
Just like a conservative. Ignore the courts when it doesn't go your way. Bring on the Constitutional Amendment... you aren't going to like the outcome. Over the past 5-10 years, support for SSM has changed in several states. This trend will continue.
Just like a liberal, go to the courts when you cannot sell your personal opinion to the majority. Polls are personal opinions at the time based upon how the question is asked and many will say what they believe the pollster wants to hear. The real vote is and always has been quite different. Thought someone of your superior intelligence would have known that? the recent North Carolina vote should tell you that.
California, Utah, Oklahoma and Virginia's amendments have been ruled unconstitutional, as will North Carolina's in time.
Great, cannot wait for the Constitutional Amendment fight. should be a lot of fun and interesting. You think 61% of those in North Carolina should be ignored?
Great, cannot wait for the Constitutional Amendment fight. should be a lot of fun and interesting. You think 61% of those in North Carolina should be ignored?
Yes. Even a majority who wants to deny rights to others should be ignored.
In a year or two when you find yourself in a real, live civics class at school, have the teacher explain to you the concept of "tyranny of the majority", k?
Failing that, at least show you have even the most rudimentary understanding of the separation of powers.
This country was created based upon a Constitution that provides provisions for ratification of a amendments. National popular vote was never the tool to ratify our Constitution. Why is it you continue to ignore the votes of the people and instead always point to polls? The People of California overwhelming rejected same sex marriage until overturned by the courts. The people of North Carolina told the pollsters one thing and voted the opposite. You just don't get it but will when the Constitutional Amendment is ratififed
I assure you that I have a better grasp of history and civics than you will ever have.
a. State constitutions do not trump the Federal Constitution, therefore...
b. state laws and amendments, even those voted in on a majority, can be ruled unconstitutional.
c. If confused about b., see a.
d. Regarding a Federal Amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman, you are either dreaming or a time traveler from circa fifteen years ago. Welcome to 2014. Some things have changed.
Yes, and I have acknowledged that, apparently you don't understand how a Constitutional Amendment is ratified. Let me explain that it isn't done by poll numbers or by national popular vote.
Name for me any state where the poll numbers match the vote when put on the ballot? Courts have overruled state constitutional amendments but the Supreme Court has never heard a case on the definition of marriage. That is going to happen and if it goes against the will of the people you are going to see a Constitutional Amendment ratified by the votes of the state electorate. I suggest a civics course for you but being in LA you probably wouldn't get the true American version
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