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"...'I would like to say to President Obama: please do everything you can to get our family out,' Chen told CNN, according to a translation of his quote.
He also accused US embassy officials of pushing him hard to leave the safety of the embassy on Wednesday where he had sought refuge for six days after fleeing his home in the eastern province of Shandong.
'The embassy kept lobbying me to leave and promised to have people stay with me in the hospital, but this afternoon, as soon as I checked into the hospital room, I noticed they were all gone,' Chen told CNN by phone."
What, china doesnt support foreign dictators... the united states has supported like 50-60 this century...
note that involves training interrogators secret police etc... depending when and where
No, the do creative stuff like overdose them on psychological drugs and blast them with outdoor military grade speakers in a small cell until they start vomiting from induced psychosis after a few hours...
some of them attempt to commit suicide in straight jackets by smashing their heads against the walls because they're tortured in sessions that cycle 24/7
also dozens of 'prisoners' aka neighborhood guys in Iraq get picked up then beaten and die of internal bleeding in prisons like abu-ghraib
those news articles are always the easy ones to forget...
Does china still have a forced abortion policy...?
The US probably needs one... the rates of unwanted pregnancy in densely religious are very high.
Does china still have a forced abortion policy...?
The US probably needs one... the rates of unwanted pregnancy in densely religious are very high
Chen was in prison for opposing it.
And that says all there is to say about you.
It appears that Chen, in fact, had a change of mind. The Washington Post has a story that discusses it. In part, the article provides the following advice from his attorney:
“Even if you're not considering this for yourself, then at least for your family and for those that tried to help you, you should try to get back to the embassy and make your way to the U.S.,” Teng told Chen, according to the transcript. “You've done way too much for human rights in China, you've made too many sacrifices. We don't want you to sacrifice or give more of yourself. Please reconsider.”
The arrangement that was reportedly agreed was not enforceable. The Embassy relied on good faith alone. Now, if Chen insisted on leaving after having been warned of the limitations of the arrangement, that was one thing. The U.S. Embassy could not hold someone against his will. IMO, given China's sensitivity to what it perceives as interference in its domestic affairs--a sensitivity that is rooted in China's past when various major powers exploited its weakness and intervened freely--some kind of quid-pro-quo will likely be needed for Chen to be permitted to leave China. Whether the quid-pro-quo amounts to some kind of assurances about future U.S. conduct to prevent similar cases, linkage to some other issue that is important to China, or some other form of consideration e.g., China's expelling one or more U.S. diplomats involved in the case, remains to be seen.
Hrrm... that'd be weird, can I invoke chinese protection in America?
Why do we buy things from this country and why was Hillary just there kissin their asses? Just something to think about next time you visit Wal Mart.
Soon this Chen incident will be swept under the rug by the liberal media and he will die a brutal death in some far off prison cell. It will be called suicide or he may just have a "heart attack."
Chen's best hope at this point is the fact that China does not want to make the obama administration look bad, they want him to get a 2nd term.
A Chinese dissident has been given a fellowship at a university in the United States and will be allowed to leave China with his wife and two children, providing a possible solution to a diplomatic crisis for President Obama.
The Chinese government is expected to arrange travel procedures for Chen Guangcheng, according to Victoria Nuland, a State Department spokeswoman.
“The United States government expects that the Chinese government will expeditiously process his applications for these documents, and make accommodations for his current medical condition,” Nuland said.
The development comes hours after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the United States was working with Chen to help with his plans and that U.S. Embassy officials had the chance to meet with him at the hospital where he has been staying.
At the same time, Chinese officials on Friday said dissident Chen — who has been at the center of a diplomatic controversy — could apply for permission to study abroad.
Seems the diplomatic immunity issue with the Chinesse Activist, Chen Guangcheng, has been resolved.
From theHill.com:
Crisis avoided...chaulk up another victory for the Obama Administration. (I know...you're hating it right about now.)
As far as economics is concerned, because it is in the United States' economic interest to do so. Given China's comparative advantage in certain areas, American consumers benefit from wider choice and lower prices than would be the case if the U.S. severed all trade with China.
Moreover, it is in the United States' broader interest to have a constructive relationship with China, recognizing that there are some signficant differences between the two countries. China is a great regional power. It is also a rising or to use Henry Kissinger's more precise terminology, a "returning" power. Attempts at containment would be futile given China's many other international relationships. Attempts at containment would only risk creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of an adversarial and possibly even confrontational relationship. That outcome would be particularly dangerous if China's relative power continues to grow.
Having said all that, the U.S. should continue to press China for human rights improvements through diplomatic channels and it should also maintain its commitments to its East Asian allies. Ron Paul-style abdication of U.S. alliances should be avoided. While the U.S. cannot reasonably expect China to transform itself into a liberal European or American style democratic republic given China's institutions, history, and culture, it can and should persistently insist on the more modest and attainable goals of China's improving its human rights practices and respecting its neighbors' interests. A constructive bilateral policy coupled with sustained American commitments to its East Asian partners can facilitate those goals. An adversarial policy can thwart those goals.
Things like this make me anti China though. Borrowing money from and doing business with a country that threatens to beat your wife to death if you leave just kind of goes against American values.
Does china still have a forced abortion policy...?
The Chinese Govt. has demanded an apology from the United States.
Chen Guangcheng leaves US embassy, China demands apology| Chen Guangcheng News | The Week UK
The safest thing for Mr. Obama to do is to apologize to the Chinese Communists, and avoid a repetition of his behavior. This will involve a loss of "face" by America, but that's a small price to pay compared to the price than Mr. Chen and his family are now going to pay.
Seems the diplomatic immunity issue with the Chinesse Activist, Chen Guangcheng, has been resolved.
From theHill.com:
Crisis avoided...chaulk up another victory for the Obama Administration. (I know...you're hating it right about now.)
Save for the stuff about U.S. alliances, I agree with you.
You shouldn't trust our media on China, especially when they don't give you all the details. The death threats did not come from the central government, but the local authorities who Chen has opposed, though the report you cite is perfectly silent on where the threats originated in a typical demonstration of Sinophobic bias. China's central government has an interest in keeping him and his family alive. At this point they also have a strong interest in keeping them free. Not only because anything else would be a blow to the government's reputation, but because there are undoubtedly people in the central government who would prefer it if he had never been detained in the first place. Were you as familiar with the history of this case as I am you would know that this was always about the Linyi authorities going after Chen for him exposing their misdeeds.
China never had such a policy. It is very much illegal in China. Unfortunately, that kind of critical information tends to get lost in Western media coverage. Go figure. Forced abortion and forced sterilization in China is no different from the same in any other country with an overpopulation problem in that it is a consequence of pressure for officials to meet population quotas. The vast majority who violate the one-child policy just get slapped with a hefty fine, which itself has the consequence that many wealthy couples have more than one child because they have no trouble paying the fine.
You are ignorant as to how China works and are a victim of their well thought out deceit. The official line of the main government in China is always moderate and reasonable but their local thugs are the ones who enforce the real policy, this lets the big shots keep their hands clean and they are able to say that isn't our policy, those dang local officials are to blame, then people like you willingly go along like good little sheep.
Hi, nephew! Long time no see. At last I have found you after searching high and low in all places. At first I thought you have sought refuge like Chen in a foreign embassy (most probably the Chinese Embassy in Washington) as you use to criticize and attack Hak Kwai ferociously.
Your countrymen would be terribly hurt to learn that you put Chen's face before America's. Actually that guy does not deserve any "face" from you or anybody else. Even if you give him "face", you would still unable to give him eyes.
That guy is quite a controversial figure with dubious character as shown by his wavering behaviour. He is shifting his stance all the time. At one moment, he vowed to remain in China, and at another moment he appealed for asylum in the US. At one moment, he said he had left the US Embassy on his accord, and at another moment he claimed that he was forced to leave the embassy.
To compare that guy with Fang Lizhi is really a big insult to the well-known astrophysicist who was accused by China of stirring up the Tiananmen Square unrest in 1989. One is a village guy with an elementary knowledge of Chinese but the other is a highly educated astrophysicist. Isn't it a big insult to Fang to lump that guy together with him?
Dissident released, but saga not over
Dissident released, but saga not over
Clinton: Activist Left Embassy on his Accord
Clinton: Activist Left Embassy on his Accord - TIME
The great escape
Chen Guangcheng: The great escape | The Economist
China-U.S. deal over dissident sours, Chen fears for life
China-U.S. deal over dissident sours, Chen fears for life - Yahoo! News
Chen's friend refutes earlier criticism of U.S. Embassy
Chen's friend refutes earlier criticism of U.S. Embassy – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
....The Beijing Daily is saying very bad things about Ambassador Locke....
....I think I'm more Chinese than Ambassador Locke.
Actually, this is the policy of any and all governments whose primary goal is self preservation rather than serving the people they presumably represent__Does this sound familiar to anyone???You are ignorant as to how China works and are a victim of their well thought out deceit. The official line of the main government in China is always moderate and reasonable but their local thugs are the ones who enforce the real policy, this lets the big shots keep their hands clean and they are able to say that isn't our policy, those dang local officials are to blame, then people like you willingly go along like good little sheep.
The Chen Guangcheng affair has embarrassingly exposed the paralysis of the Chinese government apparatus. I think the Chinese government would have liked to send a high-ranking official like Wen Jiabao to attend to Chen personally. Before they could take any concrete action, Ambassador Locke sped like Speedy Gonzales to assist the wheelchair-bound Chen in the full glare of the Chinese public and the whole world.
In contrast, the Chinese government is as lethargic as Speedy Gonzales' cousin, Slowpoke Rodriguez. Locke's speedy reaction could have embarrassed and infuriated the Chinese government. This may explain the Chinese state newspaper's criticism of him.
In its contemporary history, China has produced such peculiar things as barefoot doctors, barefoot lawyers and Jesus' brother. Just think of a free offer of travelling all the way from China to America in a plane flown by a "barefoot pilot". Any taker?
Speedy Gonzales
Speedy Gonzales - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ambassador Locke seems to have an identity problem in China. On the one hand, he claims to be so proud of his Chinese ancestry, the Chinese cultures and values. On the other hand, he said it is good that he cannot speak mandarin well.
Hak Kwai should have appointed you Ambassador to China. At least you don't have the "Chinese face" problem when dealing with the Chinese. When the Chinese look at US Ambassador Albert's face, they will know that you are clearly a representative of the United States government even though you think you are more Chinese than Ambassador Locke.
As you are a fierce critic of Hak Kwai, he will never appoint you the next US Ambassador to China even if China demands the US to replace Locke. However, there is still one way to poke your nose into China's affairs on behalf of the US government, i.e. by setting up a rival non-profit religious group to help activists to escape from China. You should know that at the end of the day, the US Congress will trust a White American more than a Chinese American. :lol:
Despite Chinese face, I represent America: Gary Locke
Despite Chinese face, I represent America: Gary Locke - People's Daily Online
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