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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

Well, frankly, if you have that attitude I don't want YOU voting ... but we all have a right to vote and we should not make it harder to exercise that right unless we have a damned good reason.

Because illegals DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, maybe? :roll:
 
Really poor analogy to say the least. Illegal voting can actually undermine the voice of legal citizens. Your example was a shot in the dark that hit nothing and meant nothing.
 
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Speaking of Reagan, didn't he have the same reason for leaving the Democratic party?
 

I heard Joe Lieberman make the same arguement.
 

I guess you were unable to quote anything relevant or you would have.
 
and totally unnecessary, as most of us already have them.

And for those who don't, I doubt they've made any serious effort to do so. It's all a smoke screen.
 

The only reason the ACLU can complain legitmately about this case is because of the possible disenfranchisement it can cause. And for all the flak that the ACLU gets for being "too liberal" most of its members, from what I've seen, are actually libertarian leaning.
 
And your reason for saying so would be....?

That's the point of the law in the first place, to ensure that only people legally permitted to vote, ie. those with valid identification, can vote. :roll:
 

Can cause? Let's see evidence that it's ACTUALLY causing any.
 
That's the point of the law in the first place, to ensure that only people legally permitted to vote, ie. those with valid identification, can vote. :roll:

And my point is that there is virtually no evidence that people who aren't legally permitted to vote are voting. The fact that you think the new regulations are easy to comply with is irrelevant when the regulation is designed to address an imaginary problem. Hence my analogy.
 
Can cause? Let's see evidence that it's ACTUALLY causing any.

You know how long it takes to get enough statisitcal evidence to prove one way or the other? With things like this, on AVG 5 years of data is required before an analysis can even be started.
 
If you want a fraud proof voting system, call VISA or MasterCard.

They'd have one up and running in 30 days.

If you feel disenfranchised, call VISA, they'll enfranchise you.
 
You know how long it takes to get enough statisitcal evidence to prove one way or the other? With things like this, on AVG 5 years of data is required before an analysis can even be started.

Then get started. Let me know when you have any actual data.
 
I heard Joe Lieberman make the same arguement.

That's probably true. I believe that yes, it was also true of Reagan. I was limiting my comments to Spector.

With moderates like Spector, Leiberman, or Reagan, there'd plenty of room on either side. I still think that the TP would pillory Reagan as a RINO if he were around today.
 
If you want a fraud proof voting system, call VISA or MasterCard.

They'd have one up and running in 30 days.

If you feel disenfranchised, call VISA, they'll enfranchise you.

Please tell me you are joking

Then get started. Let me know when you have any actual data.

And in the mean time you are harming society. No, in this case its better to have bases covered before enacting a law, espeically since the initial investment for covering those bases is pratically non-existent. I don't know what state changed its law, but one of them actually put into the law the "you get an ID for free if" and paired with a non-profit to get people to the DMV to apply/pick them up. Every state should do the same thing.
 
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Then get started. Let me know when you have any actual data.

I'm afraid that the burden is on the party seeking to implement a new regulation to establish that there is some rational basis to support it. So as soon as you have some actual data establishing that voter impersonation is a real problem, let us know.
 
If you want a fraud proof voting system, call VISA or MasterCard.

They'd have one up and running in 30 days.

If you feel disenfranchised, call VISA, they'll enfranchise you.

Because identity theft has been completely done away with, right?
 

In other words, you've got nothing and you're shifting the burden of proof. No surprise there.
 
In other words, you've got nothing and you're shifting the burden of proof. No surprise there.

No, the burden of proof is where it's always been -- on the party seeking to implement new government regulation. In this case that would be you.
 
J, you have got to be kidding me lol. First of all, Lenin doesn't represent all socialists.


Ok, if you say so. But if I am not mistaken are not Lenin, and Marx considered the fathers of socialism/communism? We can look around in these types of socialist/communist societies and plainly see that religion is discouraged, and sometimes forcibly stamped out.

Secondly, yes, you can be socialist and believe certain things in the Bible.

Believe "certain" things? Or Use certain things to stifle an argument as taxigirl attempted with me?

Third, I thought all those liberation theologists were Marxists too?

BLT is absolutely about a political end toward Marx. All one has to do is listen to the racist Cone for any amount of time to hear it.

j-mac
 

If there really is no voter fraud, and if one of the major parties wants to claim that a failure of theirs to be elected is due to voter fraud, wouldn't it be in their interest to keep the perception of fraud out there? Why give up a built in excuse?

My team would have won, but... the refs were biased, the other guys had home field advantage, our coach wasn't feeling well... whatever. If a team needs an excuse, then it had better get its act together, or see to it that it still has an excuse that fans will buy.
 
No, the burden of proof is where it's always been -- on the party seeking to implement new government regulation. In this case that would be you.

The only argument against it is an unsupported claim that anyone would be disenfranchised. Since we already have laws on the books, and have essentially since the nation started, that only citizens are able to vote, requiring that citizens produce legal identification proving they are, in actuality, citizens ought not be a problem. After all, they should have such things already. The only reason to claim it shouldn't be necessary is to allow those who are not citizens, those who do not have such papers, to vote.

Stop waving your arms around like you've got a clue.
 

See now, I can buy this arguement also. Too bad the ACLU didn't use it.
 
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