Absolutely UFB!

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

I'm working at a grocery this morning, doing inventory and it was break time, so I go out to the car to vape and have a slurp. A homeless guy is walking through the parking lot, asked a couple people for a cig, but no one had one to give him. He was heading toward the payment in front of the store when two cop cars come dashing in and block him. Each cop gets out of his car and they have him sit down by the store wall outside, which he does very calmly and obediently. The one cop is like totally over him, and in his space but not touching him.

So I decide to take out my camera and video the situation just in case. That one cop was being very aggressive, imo. A few minutes later another cop shows up and heads generally in that direction. I was a good 50ft away and well behind the three cop cars.

When break was up they were still talking to him, but alas, I have to go back in, so I put the phone away and headed into the store. So far so good, the cops seemed to behave. The homeless guy is just getting up and leaving. Great.

As I clear the entrance, I hear the one aggressive cop say "Hey, come out here with me."
I say in a normal voice, "I have done anything that deserves to be detained"
He says, "No, just come out here with me."
I said, "I didn't think so, and no," and proceeded to go to get my equipment and get back to work.

He is now furious, takes out his phone and hollers at the top of his lungs, "How would you like if I come around recording you while you work."
I said in a normal voice again, "Fine with me," and kept walking.
He continued to holler at me and try to follow me, pushing aside the grocer's patrons in the process.

Ultimately I was asked to leave the store before my shift was up. Now I understand the grocer's concern with not going against the police, but let's be real, I didn't do anything wrong. That cop has an aggression issue.

Even still I'll take the 4 hours of docked time on my job rather than not recording an aggressive asshat with a badge anyday, anytime.

ocean515 · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I'm working at a grocery this morning, doing inventory and it was break time, so I go out to the car to vape and have a slurp. A homeless guy is walking through the parking lot, asked a couple people for a cig, but no one had one to give him. He was heading toward the payment in front of the store when two cop cars come dashing in and block him. Each cop gets out of his car and they have him sit down by the store wall outside, which he does very calmly and obediently. The one cop is like totally over him, and in his space but not touching him.

So I decide to take out my camera and video the situation just in case. That one cop was being very aggressive, imo. A few minutes later another cop shows up and heads generally in that direction. I was a good 50ft away and well behind the three cop cars.

When break was up they were still talking to him, but alas, I have to go back in, so I put the phone away and headed into the store. So far so good, the cops seemed to behave. The homeless guy is just getting up and leaving. Great.

As I clear the entrance, I hear the one aggressive cop say "Hey, come out here with me."
I say in a normal voice, "I have done anything that deserves to be detained"
He says, "No, just come out here with me."
I said, "I didn't think so, and no," and proceeded to go to get my equipment and get back to work.

He is now furious, takes out his phone and hollers at the top of his lungs, "How would you like if I come around recording you while you work."
I said in a normal voice again, "Fine with me," and kept walking.
He continued to holler at me and try to follow me, pushing aside the grocer's patrons in the process.

Ultimately I was asked to leave the store before my shift was up. Now I understand the grocer's concern with not going against the police, but let's be real, I didn't do anything wrong. That cop has an aggression issue.

Even still I'll take the 4 hours of docked time on my job rather than not recording an aggressive asshat with a badge anyday, anytime.

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Fearandloathing · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I'm working at a grocery this morning, doing inventory and it was break time, so I go out to the car to vape and have a slurp. A homeless guy is walking through the parking lot, asked a couple people for a cig, but no one had one to give him. He was heading toward the payment in front of the store when two cop cars come dashing in and block him. Each cop gets out of his car and they have him sit down by the store wall outside, which he does very calmly and obediently. The one cop is like totally over him, and in his space but not touching him.

So I decide to take out my camera and video the situation just in case. That one cop was being very aggressive, imo. A few minutes later another cop shows up and heads generally in that direction. I was a good 50ft away and well behind the three cop cars.

When break was up they were still talking to him, but alas, I have to go back in, so I put the phone away and headed into the store. So far so good, the cops seemed to behave. The homeless guy is just getting up and leaving. Great.

As I clear the entrance, I hear the one aggressive cop say "Hey, come out here with me."
I say in a normal voice, "I have done anything that deserves to be detained"
He says, "No, just come out here with me."
I said, "I didn't think so, and no," and proceeded to go to get my equipment and get back to work.

He is now furious, takes out his phone and hollers at the top of his lungs, "How would you like if I come around recording you while you work."
I said in a normal voice again, "Fine with me," and kept walking.
He continued to holler at me and try to follow me, pushing aside the grocer's patrons in the process.

Ultimately I was asked to leave the store before my shift was up. Now I understand the grocer's concern with not going against the police, but let's be real, I didn't do anything wrong. That cop has an aggression issue.

Even still I'll take the 4 hours of docked time on my job rather than not recording an aggressive asshat with a badge anyday, anytime.

Next time really piss the ****er off and record him going nuts

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

Fearandloathing said:
Next time really piss the ****er off and record him going nuts

I would have except that I don't take my phone into work with me, I leave it in the car. Besides, once break was over, I'm on my employer's dime, so not okay, imo. But yeah, it crossed my mind that I wish I had that video.

Crovax · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I would have except that I don't take my phone into work with me, I leave it in the car. Besides, once break was over, I'm on my employer's dime, so not okay, imo. But yeah, it crossed my mind that I wish I had that video.

Arent your on your employers dime during your break also?

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

Crovax said:
Arent your on your employers dime during your break also?

Not that I'm aware of. My boss isn't the grocer, we are an outside inventory audit service. My boss had to ask me to go, and I understand both his position and the store's. My boss followed me out to my car to assure that I knew I was in no trouble the company I work directly for and that he saw the cop as the problem, not me. Nonetheless, when the grocer asks for an auditor to leave, we leave.

matchlight · Apr 28, 2015

Someone in this situation seems to have a chip on their shoulder, and it is not any of the policemen.

Lovebug · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I would have except that I don't take my phone into work with me, I leave it in the car. Besides, once break was over, I'm on my employer's dime, so not okay, imo. But yeah, it crossed my mind that I wish I had that video.

Why didn't you just say that to the cop? I can't tell what tone of voice you used, but what you said to the cop doesn't seems a bit confrontational.

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

matchlight said:
Someone in this situation seems to have a chip on their shoulder, and it is not any of the policemen.

Really, how do you determine that? So you see someone video'ing a police situation and you automatically determine they have a chip on their shoulder? Bless your heart.

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

Lovebug said:
Why didn't you just say that to the cop? I can't tell what tone of voice you used, but what you said to the cop doesn't seems a bit confrontational.

Two reasons, first and foremost I had no obligation whatsoever to stop what I was doing to be confronted by an officer with his panties in a twist. I don't bow to authority that has no business asking me to stop, much less bow. Secondly, I had work to do and unfortunately once one responds in any positive way whatsoever to whomever, a conversation has started and it becomes much more difficult to end.

And my tone was normal throughout. Very simply, "do you have a reason to detain me, then no." No aggression, I guess I was dismissive.

Crovax · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
Not that I'm aware of. My boss isn't the grocer, we are an outside inventory audit service. My boss had to ask me to go, and I understand both his position and the store's. My boss followed me out to my car to assure that I knew I was in no trouble the company I work directly for and that he saw the cop as the problem, not me. Nonetheless, when the grocer asks for an auditor to leave, we leave.

so you arent being paid at all during your break?

Goshin · Apr 28, 2015

A public servant, performing his function in a place in open view of the public, should not have a problem with being videotaped in the performance of his duties.

After all, we the citizenry are told we have no expectation of privacy out in public spaces, right? We're told we have to tolerate private and government security cameras in public. So... same for the goose...

If he has an issue with it, it is probably because he's doing something that wouldn't go over well on the nightly news, and that could be a problem.

Those given authority should always be closely scrutinized while exercising it.

ocean515 · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I'm working at a grocery this morning, doing inventory and it was break time, so I go out to the car to vape and have a slurp. A homeless guy is walking through the parking lot, asked a couple people for a cig, but no one had one to give him. He was heading toward the payment in front of the store when two cop cars come dashing in and block him. Each cop gets out of his car and they have him sit down by the store wall outside, which he does very calmly and obediently. The one cop is like totally over him, and in his space but not touching him.

So I decide to take out my camera and video the situation just in case. That one cop was being very aggressive, imo. A few minutes later another cop shows up and heads generally in that direction. I was a good 50ft away and well behind the three cop cars.

When break was up they were still talking to him, but alas, I have to go back in, so I put the phone away and headed into the store. So far so good, the cops seemed to behave. The homeless guy is just getting up and leaving. Great.

As I clear the entrance, I hear the one aggressive cop say "Hey, come out here with me."
I say in a normal voice, "I have done anything that deserves to be detained"
He says, "No, just come out here with me."
I said, "I didn't think so, and no," and proceeded to go to get my equipment and get back to work.

He is now furious, takes out his phone and hollers at the top of his lungs, "How would you like if I come around recording you while you work."
I said in a normal voice again, "Fine with me," and kept walking.
He continued to holler at me and try to follow me, pushing aside the grocer's patrons in the process.

Ultimately I was asked to leave the store before my shift was up. Now I understand the grocer's concern with not going against the police, but let's be real, I didn't do anything wrong. That cop has an aggression issue.

Even still I'll take the 4 hours of docked time on my job rather than not recording an aggressive asshat with a badge anyday, anytime.

Love to see a few stills from your video just to see why they took an interest in the homeless guy. Any chance of you doing that? Perhaps the video?

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

Crovax said:
so you arent being paid at all during your break?

Oh my, have you never had a break, have you never checked your phone or made a call during break. WTF is your problem? Unlike most workers in USA, I don't have my phone at work so I am not tempted to answer it or respond to texts like just about every other worker I've ever seen seems to do. So I don't get what you're point is, but it's not rational whatever it is.

Crovax · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
Oh my, have you never had a break, have you never checked your phone or made a call during break. WTF is your problem? Unlike most workers in USA, I don't have my phone at work so I am not tempted to answer it or respond to texts like just about every other worker I've ever seen seems to do. So I don't get what you're point is, but it's not rational whatever it is.

I assume you were on a 15 minute paid break from work? you are still on your employers dime, yes they are giving you a rest break from working but you are still on the clock and still required to act in a professional manner.

ARealConservative · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
Oh my, have you never had a break, have you never checked your phone or made a call during break. WTF is your problem? Unlike most workers in USA, I don't have my phone at work so I am not tempted to answer it or respond to texts like just about every other worker I've ever seen seems to do. So I don't get what you're point is, but it's not rational whatever it is.

yes, I have had a break. I also know that I am paid while having a break.

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

Crovax said:
I assume you were on a 15 minute paid break from work? you are still on your employers dime, yes they are giving you a rest break from working but you are still on the clock and still required to act in a professional manner.

I did act in a professional manner, it was the cop who didn't. My boss and his assistant both assured me that was what they saw and I was in no trouble with them at all.

Lovebug · Apr 28, 2015

I think your threads should be merged. This is making me dizzy.
Sorry for being off topic

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

ARealConservative said:
yes, I have had a break. I also know that I am paid while having a break.

So what? What does that have to do with anything? I'm not in trouble with my company. I'm not even in trouble with the grocer, he was even apologetic, nonetheless the grocer has to keep the cops happy, he sort of has no choice since the cop made such an issue.

Crovax · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I did act in a professional manner, it was the cop who didn't. My boss and his assistant both assured me that was what they saw and I was in no trouble with them at all.

obviously that was not a consensus since the store asked you to leave.

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

Lovebug said:
I think your threads should be merged. This is making me dizzy.
Sorry for being off topic

Fair enough, but I can't add a poll to this one, and I'm curious if the watch commander on the other thread is accurate that most Americans based their judgement of police brutality/aggression on the alleged crime instead of the behavior of the suspect. I needed a poll for that.

ARealConservative · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
So what? What does that have to do with anything? I'm not in trouble with my company. I'm not even in trouble with the grocer, he was even apologetic, nonetheless the grocer has to keep the cops happy, he sort of has no choice since the cop made such an issue.

My reply has to do with the words you used and the statements you made.

crazy how that works

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

ARealConservative said:
My reply has to do with the words you used and the statements you made.

crazy how that works

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you suggesting that I should have stopped what I was doing to be reprimanded by a cop that had no legitimate reason to stop me? Wow, I thought you were a libertarian... I see you're more Republican.

ARealConservative · Apr 28, 2015

Summerwind said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you suggesting that I should have stopped what I was doing to be reprimanded by a cop that had no legitimate reason to stop me? Wow, I thought you were a libertarian... I see you're more Republican.

I'm suggesting that while even on break, you are a paid employee of someone.

personally, if I employed you, I would tell you to be a political activist on your own time.

Summerwind · Apr 28, 2015

ARealConservative said:
I'm suggesting that while even on break, you are a paid employee of someone.

personally, if I employed you, I would tell you to be a political activist on your own time.

Well I wasn't being a political activist, just a normal concerned citizen.

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