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A wind farm is ejected from Indian Country in Oklahoma

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OPINION AND ORDER by Judge Jennifer Choe-Groves for United States of America v. Osage Wind, LLC et al :: Justia Dockets & Filings

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Link to the Opinion of the Court in United States of America v. Osage Wind, LLC et al.

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Federal judge orders removal of wind farm developed on Osage Nation's Mineral Estate

U.S. Judge Jennifer Choe-Groves of the U.S. Court of International Trade ended 10 years of litigation involving the Osage Nation's Mineral Estate on Thursday.
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United States Judge Jennifer Choe-Groves of the United States Court of International Trade, sitting by designation with the United States District Court for the Northern District of Oklahoma ruled decisively in favor of the United States.

While the defendants leased surface rights, in constructing the farm they illegally violated the tribe's subterranean mineral rights.

The court has ordered an ejectment of the wind farm, to be completed by December 31, 2025, with defendants required to restore the land to its pre-trespass conditions. In addition, defendants must pay substantial attorney and court fees of both the United States and the Indian Tribes.

Defendants have indicated they will appeal. The 10th Circuit previously ruled in favor of Plaintiffs, with the Supreme Court declining to consider this case when it was previously in an interlocutory posture in 2017. Justice Gorsuch is generally very friendly to tribal rights and privileges, can't say much with the other Justices.
 
I hope the appeal fails and the land is restored to its "pre-trespass" conditions.

Several years ago, we decided it was time to move and since we are retired, we could pretty much choose anywhere in the country. So, in our search, we drove through nearly the entire nation to look at places our google searches had generated interest in. It had been a long time since we had taken any long road trips. We were simply stunned and appalled at what these endless miles of wind farms had done to enormous swaths of this country. I became sad and depressed at seeing these endless miles of these monsters. From "sea to shining sea", the "amber waves of grain" and the "fruited plain" had become a thing of the past, taken over by these massive monsters (everywhere!!!). One thing that really began to bother me was how the massive structures could possibly be disposed of as they failed, fell over, or weren't performing any worthwhile function anymore. Each one is enormous.
 
gbg3 said:
I hope the appeal fails and the land is restored to its "pre-trespass" conditions.

Several years ago, we decided it was time to move and since we are retired, we could pretty much choose anywhere in the country. So, in our search, we drove through nearly the entire nation to look at places our google searches had generated interest in. It had been a long time since we had taken any long road trips. We were simply stunned and appalled at what these endless miles of wind farms had done to enormous swaths of this country. I became sad and depressed at seeing these endless miles of these monsters. From "sea to shining sea", the "amber waves of grain" and the "fruited plain" had become a thing of the past, taken over by these massive monsters (everywhere!!!). One thing that really began to bother me was how the massive structures could possibly be disposed of as they failed, fell over, or weren't performing any worthwhile function anymore. Each one is enormous.
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I'm sure you think that the tar sands of Alberta and the removed mountaintops for coal mining are beautiful.
 
gbg3 said:
I hope the appeal fails and the land is restored to its "pre-trespass" conditions.

Several years ago, we decided it was time to move and since we are retired, we could pretty much choose anywhere in the country. So, in our search, we drove through nearly the entire nation to look at places our google searches had generated interest in. It had been a long time since we had taken any long road trips. We were simply stunned and appalled at what these endless miles of wind farms had done to enormous swaths of this country. I became sad and depressed at seeing these endless miles of these monsters. From "sea to shining sea", the "amber waves of grain" and the "fruited plain" had become a thing of the past, taken over by these massive monsters (everywhere!!!). One thing that really began to bother me was how the massive structures could possibly be disposed of as they failed, fell over, or weren't performing any worthwhile function anymore. Each one is enormous.
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Our need for energy impacts our world one way or another. One can take the path of what may not be aesthetically pleasing or others which are more destructive to the environment and less aesthetically pleasing.

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I will sidestep the alternative energy issues and aesthetic issues and focus on the key issue, trespass.

The energy company clearly was dishonest with the tribe when they obtained the surface lease. There was far more of a subterranean impact to the tribe's mineral rights than what the company led on.

On that basis, I agree with the court's ruling, including the ejectment of the windfarm.

The company never got the subterranean permits they needed from the Secretary of the Interior.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Our need for energy impacts our world one way or another. One can take the path of what may not be aesthetically pleasing or others which are more destructive to the environment and less aesthetically pleasing.

The_San_Ardo_Oil_Field_From_The_Coast_Starlight._%286132948846%29.jpg

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LOL your cult is far worse. In just a few years windfarms go belly up and turn into mass graveyards.

www.bloomberg.com

Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills

Companies are searching for ways to deal with the tens of thousands of blades that have reached the end of their lives.
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Phys251 said:
I'm sure you think that the tar sands of Alberta and the removed mountaintops for coal mining are beautiful.
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I'd share my thoughts on that topic if I had seen the tar sands of Alberta. I haven't.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Our need for energy impacts our world one way or another. One can take the path of what may not be aesthetically pleasing or others which are more destructive to the environment and less aesthetically pleasing.

The_San_Ardo_Oil_Field_From_The_Coast_Starlight._%286132948846%29.jpg

Exxon_Mobil_oil_refinery_-_Baton_Rouge_Louisiana1-f288811f21754c8da02c51f68f83827b.jpg
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Well, I'm not talking about an industrial area which can be pictured in one shot. I'm talking about enormous swaths of the country for mile after mile after mile and state after state after state. ALL of that.
 
gbg3 said:
I hope the appeal fails and the land is restored to its "pre-trespass" conditions.

Several years ago, we decided it was time to move and since we are retired, we could pretty much choose anywhere in the country. So, in our search, we drove through nearly the entire nation to look at places our google searches had generated interest in. It had been a long time since we had taken any long road trips. We were simply stunned and appalled at what these endless miles of wind farms had done to enormous swaths of this country. I became sad and depressed at seeing these endless miles of these monsters. From "sea to shining sea", the "amber waves of grain" and the "fruited plain" had become a thing of the past, taken over by these massive monsters (everywhere!!!). One thing that really began to bother me was how the massive structures could possibly be disposed of as they failed, fell over, or weren't performing any worthwhile function anymore. Each one is enormous.
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I am afraid they are just as destructive in their death as they are in use. Those massive blades you see can not be recycled so instead they are buried to forever remain worthless blades. You saw the wind farms so you can get a good idea of how much will be stuck into the ground somewhere. But, hey out of sight out of mind.
 
gbg3 said:
Well, I'm not talking about an industrial area which can be pictured in one shot. I'm talking about enormous swaths of the country for mile after mile after mile and state after state after state. ALL of that.
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It's the price of consuming energy, and again, is it better to just have something that isn't visually appealing as it is to have something destructive to those who live near the areas where oil pumps and refineries are? Is it preferable for those who live near oil spills to see and smell crude oil in their waters compared to seeing fields of solar panels?
 
This topic illustratyes just how full of shit and hypocritical the 'environmentalists' have ALWAYS been on energy. You cant develop the land...it would damage the land, destroy the toadstools, impact the speckled ants...no no. Wait...I mean....ummmmmm........lets go ahead and strip mine 3 world countries, spend far more fossil fuel resources to process these monstrosities than we will ever recoup in environmental gains, and support child labor and slavery in 3 rd world countries to boot for our 'green energy'.....
 
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Sabre said:
I am afraid they are just as destructive in their death as they are in use. Those massive blades you see can not be recycled so instead they are buried to forever remain worthless blades. You saw the wind farms so you can get a good idea of how much will be stuck into the ground somewhere. But, hey out of sight out of mind.
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Way too dire. There are uses being discovered for old blades. Wait 5 years and I'd wager there will be a lot more.
 
Sabre said:
I am afraid they are just as destructive in their death as they are in use. Those massive blades you see can not be recycled so instead they are buried to forever remain worthless blades. You saw the wind farms so you can get a good idea of how much will be stuck into the ground somewhere. But, hey out of sight out of mind.
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OMG, it's unbelievable to even imagine. After driving through so many states of nothing but those, it started to haunt me imagining how they would ever be disposed of. The entire situation haunted me. Seeing what they have done to so much of the land in this country now and imagining how they'd ever be able to get rid of them. They are simply enormous in size. I had no idea that was going on to that extent - until that long road trip across the whole country. It shocked me. It's the stuff nightmares are made of.
 
I would rather build solar power rather than wind power. I have built a total of 20 acres in western North Carolina, divided between 4 facilities. Additionally all four are grazed by goats and other livestock. All of this was former agricultural acreage that could be returned to that usage in the future, if the facilities are not replaced at the end of their lifespan.

At least solar power doesn't shred our avian friends. 😄
 
gbg3 said:
I hope the appeal fails and the land is restored to its "pre-trespass" conditions.

Several years ago, we decided it was time to move and since we are retired, we could pretty much choose anywhere in the country. So, in our search, we drove through nearly the entire nation to look at places our google searches had generated interest in. It had been a long time since we had taken any long road trips. We were simply stunned and appalled at what these endless miles of wind farms had done to enormous swaths of this country. I became sad and depressed at seeing these endless miles of these monsters. From "sea to shining sea", the "amber waves of grain" and the "fruited plain" had become a thing of the past, taken over by these massive monsters (everywhere!!!). One thing that really began to bother me was how the massive structures could possibly be disposed of as they failed, fell over, or weren't performing any worthwhile function anymore. Each one is enormous.
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Go look at mountaintop removal coal mining if you want to see something appalling. The vast majority of the places wind farms are in are the prairies, specifically in cropland or rangeland where they have very little ecological impact.

In contrast, we get much of our coal by blowing up entire mountains in some of the most ecologically diverse temperate forests on earth. The result is the land being scared for millions of years, thousands of miles of rivers and streams being polluted to the point that they no longer support life, and hundreds of thousands of acres of forest lost. AND THIS IS JUST THE MINING OF THE COAL.

Humans need energy. Any way we produce the energy we need will have impacts on our landscapes and ecosystems. There is no getting around that. In terms of the magnitude of the environmental impact of energy production, coal is by far the worst, nothing else is even in the same magnitude. It's followed by oil, which while dirty, is an order of magnitude cleaner than coal. This is followed by natural gas. This is followed by nuclear and hydroelectricity which both have about the same ecological impacts. This is followed by geothermal (only suitable in limited areas). This is followed by solar and wind.

Those wind farms mean less of this:
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Safiel said:
I would rather build solar power rather than wind power. I have built a total of 20 acres in western North Carolina, divided between 4 facilities. Additionally all four are grazed by goats and other livestock. All of this was former agricultural acreage that could be returned to that usage in the future, if the facilities are not replaced at the end of their lifespan.

At least solar power doesn't shred our avian friends. 😄
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Coal kills an order of magnitude more birds every year than wind power. In fact, only solar power has a lower impact to birds and other species than wind power.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
Go look at mountaintop removal coal mining if you want to see something appalling. The vast majority of the places wind farms are in are the prairies, specifically in cropland or rangeland where they have very little ecological impact.

In contrast, we get much of our coal by blowing up entire mountains in some of the most ecologically diverse temperate forests on earth. The result is the land being scared for millions of years, thousands of miles of rivers and streams being polluted to the point that they no longer support life, and hundreds of thousands of acres of forest lost. AND THIS IS JUST THE MINING OF THE COAL.

Humans need energy. Any way we produce the energy we need will have impacts on our landscapes and ecosystems. There is no getting around that. In terms of the magnitude of the environmental impact of energy production, coal is by far the worst, nothing else is even in the same magnitude. It's followed by oil, which while dirty, is an order of magnitude cleaner than coal. This is followed by natural gas. This is followed by nuclear and hydroelectricity which both have about the same ecological impacts. This is followed by geothermal (only suitable in limited areas). This is followed by solar and wind.

Those wind farms mean less of this:
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2 THINGS.

1-I'd bet that even if that land were pristine, you couldnt find it on a map and have never stepped foot within 100miles of it.
2-You arent 'stopping' mining...you are increasing it, and you are supporting slave and child labor to boot, WHILE using fossil fuel resources to mine for it, WHILE using fossil fuel resources to transport it, WHILE you are making the Chinese rich as they burn fossil fuels to refine and manufacture it AND they use fossil fuels to transport it to the locations that use fossil fuel resources to host, house, and sell the 'green' energy resources that are then again transported BY fossil fuel resources and installed USING fossil fuel resources......to 'save' the climate by producing energy less efficiently than fossil fuel run power generation.
 
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Allan said:
You didn't ever notice these lovely structures before?

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Isn't that how the electricity generated from windmills also travels? Electricity from wind farms is sent to substations where the voltage is increased using transformers, then transmitted through high-voltage power lines on the electrical grid. Now you get to have two types of lovely structures.
 
gbg3 said:
I hope the appeal fails and the land is restored to its "pre-trespass" conditions.

Several years ago, we decided it was time to move and since we are retired, we could pretty much choose anywhere in the country. So, in our search, we drove through nearly the entire nation to look at places our google searches had generated interest in. It had been a long time since we had taken any long road trips. We were simply stunned and appalled at what these endless miles of wind farms had done to enormous swaths of this country. I became sad and depressed at seeing these endless miles of these monsters. From "sea to shining sea", the "amber waves of grain" and the "fruited plain" had become a thing of the past, taken over by these massive monsters (everywhere!!!). One thing that really began to bother me was how the massive structures could possibly be disposed of as they failed, fell over, or weren't performing any worthwhile function anymore. Each one is enormous.
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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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