David_N
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Under the current system, dangerous people are able to buy firearms far too often, President Barack Obama said in a speech announcing new executive action on gun policy.
"The problem is some gun sellers have been operating under a different set of rules," he said Jan. 5. "A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the Internet with no background check, no questions asked."
Quite a few readers flagged Obama’s claim that a violent felon can buy a gun online without a background check, so we decided to fact-check it.
Some readers seemed to think Obama was suggesting such transactions were legal. We don’t see that in Obama’s comments. (The grammarians at PolitiFact would note that Obama said "can," not "may.") To be clear, such a transaction would be illegal. What Obama said is that such transactions are possible. That is accurate, but it’s also a little more complicated than Obama’s comment suggests.
It's my understanding that all online gun sales must have the gun shipped to a FFL seller in order to finalize the transaction (background checks, etc.).
It's my understanding that all online gun sales must have the gun shipped to a FFL seller in order to finalize the transaction (background checks, etc.).
That would be requirement necessary to make the transaction legal, yes. The PF review work under the assumption that Obama also included illegal transactions when making this point. Now, whether his proposed policy adjustments would help to address these types of illegal transactions is another issue.
That would be requirement necessary to make the transaction legal, yes. The PF review work under the assumption that Obama also included illegal transactions when making this point. Now, whether his proposed policy adjustments would help to address these types of illegal transactions is another issue.
It's my understanding that all online gun sales must have the gun shipped to a FFL seller in order to finalize the transaction (background checks, etc.).
That is mine as well, but it appears we have discrepancy where the online gun seller does not always follow through. I would agree that becomes an enforcement issue with that gun seller, which begs the question how many of those people are we charging with a crime?
That is mine as well, but it appears we have discrepancy where the online gun seller does not always follow through. I would agree that becomes an enforcement issue with that gun seller, which begs the question how many of those people are we charging with a crime?
That's true for interstate sales, but not for intrastate state sales between private citizens (collectors and the like), although in those sales a face to face transaction IS required.
Obama said this and PF rates it mostly true. Thoughts?
Obama: Violent felons can buy guns online without background checks | PolitiFact
It's my understanding that all online gun sales must have the gun shipped to a FFL seller in order to finalize the transaction (background checks, etc.).
That is mine as well, but it appears we have discrepancy where the online gun seller does not always follow through. I would agree that becomes an enforcement issue with that gun seller, which begs the question how many of those people are we charging with a crime?
And the person is not a gun Dealer. Private sales between private citizens is not going to change with the new rules nor would they even if someone wrote some regulation that addressed it, people have the right to sell their own property without the government getting their greedy fingers in the pie, well they should be able to anyway.
The article is indulging his dishonesty.
He says online as if felons are buying from freaking reputable online vendors instead of the deep web or something else shady as hell.
Actually he wants to define a dealer as 2 guns a year if "other criteria" are applicable, whatever that means. we shall see how it is applied but no matter what the new rules will not reduce violent crime or make anyone one bit safer than they already were. It is all about the Feel Good thing, in other words he is blowing smoke of someone dress so that they will say he did something.Let's see. Right now you are correct, but Obama already wants to change the definition of "Dealer." I think he wants it defined as 50 sales a year, which a collector or hobbyist could easily do at one gun show. This is just more of the drip, drip, drip...
That is mine as well, but it appears we have discrepancy where the online gun seller does not always follow through. I would agree that becomes an enforcement issue with that gun seller, which begs the question how many of those people are we charging with a crime?
The problem seems to be one of scale and (or?) intent. If I sell one gun "from my collection" then it is clearly not dealing. The problem, as I see it, is how long before a second sale (just like that first legal sale) becomes "illegal" and would trigger questions (allegations?) of criminal activity? Many folks buy things (e.g. books) use them and later resell them yet are clearly not (book) dealers, in any "reasonable" sense, even if they do so "frequently" for profit (buy at Goodwill, thrift store or other low price source and later sell at a flea market or garage sale). Should we require each of these "loophole" (book) dealers to get a business license and collect sales taxes?
Which is BS and will change absolutely nothing when it comes to crime, the sheep lap it up in the false illusion that it somehow has accomplished something.No. If the internet, like any other media, is used simply to advertise a gun for sale then the resulting private, in person, gun sale within that state (buyer is a resident of the seller's state) is legal (under federal law). Some states, like CA, have such a law but the federal law required only "gun dealers" to get a FFL. Obama simply wishes to redefine what makes selling 2 (or more) guns constitute "dealing in guns as a business".
I deal with the government on this type of issue all the time.
If you make even trivial amounts of money on your hobby the IRS wants to call it a business and assess Self Employment tax. If, however, you lose money on your hobby and treat it as a business loss they want to disallow the expenses and penalize you for taking the deduction.
The bottom line with this newest proposal is that they won't be able to go after private sellers too much at all unless they have an online presence or a table at gun shows. They also won't be able to convict most of the ones they do prosecute because "being engaged in the business" is necessarily (and should remain) broadly defined.
Obama said this and PF rates it mostly true. Thoughts?
Obama: Violent felons can buy guns online without background checks | PolitiFact
Obama said this and PF rates it mostly true. Thoughts?
Obama: Violent felons can buy guns online without background checks | PolitiFact
Which is BS and will change absolutely nothing when it comes to crime, the sheep lap it up in the false illusion that it somehow has accomplished something.
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