A trans uses women's room; Missouri Republicans lose their collective mind

[Helix]

Same!! I'd love to walk up to a wall with 6 closets that all just say "Bathroom" on them. No gender, parent, no nothing. All with feminine products, all with changing tables for babies, all with one shitter and a sink. Whomever invented the American stall is an animal, and thinks we all are as well!

I don't get the advantage of the US partial toilet stall system. It sucks. Is it supposed to help us in case the building catches on fire and we forget how to turn a thumb switch counterclockwise?

 

[Ginger Ale]

I don't get the advantage of the US partial toilet stall system. It sucks. Is it supposed to help us in case the building catches on fire and we forget how to turn a thumb switch counterclockwise?

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't get the advantage of the US partial toilet stall system. It sucks. Is it supposed to help us in case the building catches on fire and we forget how to turn a thumb switch counterclockwise?

I've been trying to find this answers since I've been thinking about this. And the reason I first thought was fire code I'd have to have a sprinkler and a smoke detector in each stall but a lot of the times they do that anyway.

Supposed to be off but there's two reasons for the high off the ground doors in the walls that don't go to the ceiling that I've come across. One reason is so you can see who's in there it's sold as a safety concern. My guess is it's something to do with insurance. Violate individual and also rescue if someone passes out in the stall and for whatever reason the owner of the property or the management doesn't have keys to unlock them the openings at the bottom and the top of the door is so that I rescue her can get under them.

Individual right I bet this has to do with insurance as well.

 

[CLAX1911]

I agree. I find that to be stressful.

Democratic yeah I remember having issues with it when I was younger. They seem to think that it's something I've just learned to live with in my adulthood.

The majority when I was going to school as a boy they just had walls between the toilets and no doors so there's absolutely no privacy.

Honestly video I can understand that being stressful.

 

[Helix]

Democratic yeah I remember having issues with it when I was younger. They seem to think that it's something I've just learned to live with in my adulthood.

The majority when I was going to school as a boy they just had walls between the toilets and no doors so there's absolutely no privacy.

Honestly video I can understand that being stressful.

They did that to us, too. "Ummmm!! So and so's taking a sheeeeyit, So and so's taking a sheeeeyit!" During my senior year, I told someone who I knew on the school board about it in passing. He laughed, thinking that I was telling a joke. When I assured him that it was the case, he got very serious about it. The doors were put back on the stalls during the next school year.

 

[Lisa]

I would say I haven't treated anyone poorly but seems I was talking past you. I apologize for that.

I assumed this was understood and that's my fault for assuming.

I'm not changing my position that trans women are men who identify as a women. Why not because but because they identify as women they have a legitimate purpose to be in the women's locker room men who don't not have a legitimate purpose to be in the locker room the men who don't identify us when or lie about it because that happens too are perverts.

Unless of course their maintenance workers or cleaning crew or something of that nature. Again another thing I didn't think that I needed to say but I'm not putting that on you it's my fault.

I don't take any issue with trans people I never did.

This is highly ironic. You claim that you have no issue with trans people, after you called them perverts.

Science doesn't care about your opinions or your inability to understand even the most basic concepts of gender. It never did and it never will.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

I really have to ask, why do you want this to be true so bad when studies have found that it is not true? What's the motive? Why make shit up? ​

There is no study that you can cite that says that transwomen (a male who self-identifies as a woman in terms of gender identity) is really a woman in terms of biological sex.

​

No link between trans-inclusive policies and bathroom safety, study finds​

There is no evidence that letting transgender people use public facilities that align with their gender identity increases safety risks, a UCLA study finds.

No link between trans-inclusive policies and bathroom safety, study finds

There is no evidence that letting transgender people use public facilities that align with their gender identity increases safety risks, a UCLA study finds.

www.nbcnews.com

The main issue isn't safety, it's the discomfort of women in having biological males in their women-only spaces.

Also, it depends on what you mean by "safety." When trans people and their "Allies" talk of their own safety, they refer to almost anything, including being exposed to wrong-think or ideas they don't like to hear expressed. Their own safety includes the right to "feel" safe, and "feel" welcome, etc. Yet, for some reason when other people's "safety" is being taken into consideration, they want to limit safety to physical attacks. Don't women have the right to "feel" safe? Doesn't their safety include their mental well being and feelings of comfort, just like the trans folks claim they're entitled to?

 

[Questerr]

First of all, women are naked in women's locker rooms. Second, this is a male, and one with a mental illness. LifeTime fitness doesn't have "changing stalls" -- what in god's name are you talking about? People change out in the open. I belonged to a LifeTime Fitness for years. They have bathroom stalls for taking a shit, but you don't change in there. The way the locker room is set up, you walk in and lockers are all around the walls. You go in and at asome point there is a row of sinks and mirrors. Then off to one side is a row of shower stalls, one by one, and then there is a bathroom area. Also in the locker room they have steam rooms, where people go in only in a towel and some take them off and sit naked (albeit most people keep the towel over their genitals, but not everybody).

There are too many people in the gym to have "changing stalls" for everyone. They have benches in the middle of the room, in front of the lockers. You pick a locker, and you can put your stuff in it. You can sit on the little bench and change. That's it.

Jesus ****ing Christ this topic is so annoying. I can't stand how these people like to pretend that everyone else "lost their minds" and are in a "rage," LOL. No, folks, we haven't lost our minds, You have. And, we aren't in a rage, we just understand that women get upset when guys are walking around their locker room when women are naked or changing or engaged in more private sorts of locker room/bathroom activities. This is not about those big bad sexist men trying to control anything. Men don't give a **** if women come in and use the men's room. What we do give a **** about is our wives and daughters being made to feel uncomfortable by these friggin narcissists.

Can you provide a peer reviewed scientific source for the mental illness this person has?

 

[Lisa]

There is no study that you can cite that says that transwomen (a male who self-identifies as a woman in terms of gender identity) is really a woman in terms of biological sex.

Did you forget to proofread this before you posted it?

The main issue isn't safety, it's the discomfort of women in having biological males in their women-only spaces.

Also, it depends on what you mean by "safety." When trans people and their "Allies" talk of their own safety, they refer to almost anything, including being exposed to wrong-think or ideas they don't like to hear expressed. Their own safety includes the right to "feel" safe, and "feel" welcome, etc. Yet, for some reason when other people's "safety" is being taken into consideration, they want to limit safety to physical attacks. Don't women have the right to "feel" safe? Doesn't their safety include their mental well being and feelings of comfort, just like the trans folks claim they're entitled to?

This might come as a shock to you but people dont walk around buck-nekkid in bathrooms and locker rooms. There are stalls and thinks called towels or robes that are worn.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Did you forget to proofread this before you posted it?

No, I think you left your reading comprehension at home. There is no study that say that transwomen (a male who self identifies as a woman in terms of gender identity) is really a biological woman. That person is not. That person is a biological male who identifies as a woman.

This might come as a shock to you but people dont walk around buck-nekkid in bathrooms and locker rooms. There are stalls and thinks called towels or robes that are worn.

Sometimes they do. I've gone to gyms for decades, and sometimes they do. But that isn't the point. Your side always likes to miss the point, on purpose. The purpose of sex separated changing rooms is because women don't like change around men, whether down to their underwear or naked, and they don't like to sit naked wrapped in a towel in the steam room around men, and they don't want to walk in and out of showers while men are around, or engage in their primp/prep work in front of the mirror half dressed.

I mean, it's like you folks have not existed in the real world ever. This is not controversial. At no time in my life would it have been welcomed for me, a 6' 2" male, approximately 200 pounds, with (in my younger days) a solid build, to walk into the ladies room and say "don't worry ladies, I identify as a woman.". There would be women at the front desk asking for security to get the male out of the ladies room.

Now - you can cry all you want about and claim phobe this and bigot that. But you're just way off base here.

I'd be fine with a post-op sex change patient using the bathroom that matches what they look like. But some dude who just calls himself Mary, no. Sorry. That's just ridiculous, and you know it.

 

[Lisa]

No, I think you left your reading comprehension at home. There is no study that say that transwomen (a male who self identifies as a woman in terms of gender identity) is really a biological woman. That person is not. That person is a biological male who identifies as a woman.

If they were a bio female with a female gender identity then they would be cisgender female.

Sometimes they do. I've gone to gyms for decades, and sometimes they do. But that isn't the point. Your side always likes to miss the point, on purpose. The purpose of sex separated changing rooms is because women don't like change around men, whether down to their underwear or naked, and they don't like to sit naked wrapped in a towel in the steam room around men, and they don't want to walk in and out of showers while men are around, or engage in their primp/prep work in front of the mirror half dressed.

I mean, it's like you folks have not existed in the real world ever. This is not controversial. At no time in my life would it have been welcomed for me, a 6' 2" male, approximately 200 pounds, with (in my younger days) a solid build, to walk into the ladies room and say "don't worry ladies, I identify as a woman.". There would be women at the front desk asking for security to get the male out of the ladies room.

Now - you can cry all you want about and claim phobe this and bigot that. But you're just way off base here.

I'd be fine with a post-op sex change patient using the bathroom that matches what they look like. But some dude who just calls himself Mary, no. Sorry. That's just ridiculous, and you know it.

If you are looking at someone's crotch to see if they are pre-or-post bottom surgery then it's you that has the problem. You would be a voyeur. That is creepy.


Do I need to explain the effects of estrogen/estradiol and androgen blockers on a passing natal male with a female gender identity, because it seems that the presence of (an atrophied) penis seems to be the core of the conservative issue? Penis does not mean man, does not mean potential rapist.

A trans female is no more of a sexual treat to any female than a lesbian is, but somehow you cant understand that because you still do not understand the core concept of gender identity.

 

[CLAX1911]

They did that to us, too. "Ummmm!! So and so's taking a sheeeeyit, So and so's taking a sheeeeyit!" During my senior year, I told someone who I knew on the school board about it in passing. He laughed, thinking that I was telling a joke. When I assured him that it was the case, he got very serious about it. The doors were put back on the stalls during the next school year.

Be honest I never thought to make a fuss about it. Looking back I probably should have. When I was growing up there was this philosophy that modesty was weakness. Wanting privacy made you less of a man I don't know how it worked in the girls bathroom.

And so I did what a lot of other students did and just held it all day didn't eat breakfast. Ate very little lunch because I didn't want to have to use the bathroom without having any privacy at all.

I figured my complaint would be dismissed and I would be laughed at. I wish I'd had the willingness to speak up back then I might have made a difference.

 

[CLAX1911]

This is highly ironic. You claim that you have no issue with trans people, after you called them perverts.

if you can't accept the explanation to why I wasn't saying that there's no value in interacting with you. You're only going to hear what you want to hear and you will only know what you've heard.

I suppose it's moor to say this again since you didn't read it the first time. I didn't call Trans people perverts.

Science doesn't care about your opinions or your inability to understand even the most basic concepts of gender. It never did and it never will.

Science isn't what you think it is. At least not what you claim it to be most of the time you're talking about it. People who don't understand what science is probably ought to leave determining what it is to people who know more about it.

Science is a method for obtaining knowledge while attempting to sequester bias.

Keep that in mind next time you say something as ridiculous as "science doesn't care..."

 

[Lisa]

if you can't accept the explanation to why I wasn't saying that there's no value in interacting with you. You're only going to hear what you want to hear and you will only know what you've heard.

I suppose it's moor to say this again since you didn't read it the first time. I didn't call Trans people perverts.

I posted the quote where you said it. Don't try to wiggle away from it now.

I'm not changing my position that trans women are men who identify as a women. Why not because but because they identify as women they have a legitimate purpose to be in the women's locker room men who don't not have a legitimate purpose to be in the locker room the men who don't identify us when or lie about it because that happens too are perverts.

Science isn't what you think it is. At least not what you claim it to be most of the time you're talking about it. People who don't understand what science is probably ought to leave determining what it is to people who know more about it.

Science is a method for obtaining knowledge while attempting to sequester bias.

Keep that in mind next time you say something as ridiculous as "science doesn't care..."

Don't try to play these semantic games with me.

Science is a systematic and logical approach to discovering how things in the universe work. It is also the body of knowledge accumulated through the discoveries about all the things in the universe.

The word "science" is derived from the Latin word "scientia," which means knowledge based on demonstrable and reproducible data, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary. True to this definition, science aims for measurable results through testing and analysis, a process known as the scientific method. Science is based on fact, not opinion or preferences. The process of science is designed to challenge ideas through research. One important aspect of the scientific process is that it focuses only on the natural world, according to the University of California, Berkeley. Anything that is considered supernatural, or beyond physical reality, does not fit into the definition of science.

What Is Science?

Here's a look at the foundation of doing science — the scientific method.

www.livescience.com

 

[Bullseye]

"COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — A transgender woman’s use of the women’s locker room in a suburban St. Louis gym prompted a protest, a plan for a boycott and calls for an investigation by the state’s politically vulnerable Republican attorney general, who quickly obliged. The woman joined the gym Sunday, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.

By Friday morning, a Republican state lawmaker had held a news conference outside the gym, and protesters gathered to criticize the fitness center, according to the newspaper. “I have been contacted by a lot of people,” Rep. Justin Sparks told The Associated Press on Friday. He held the news conference but said he did not organize protesters. Sparks represents a House district neighboring the gym.

Life Time spokesperson Natalie Bushaw said the woman showed staff a copy of her driver’s license, which identified her as female.

AP requests for comment via Facebook to the gym member were not immediately returned Friday. She told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that a women approached her in the sauna Monday and said she was a man and that she did not belong there.

“The Missouri Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex,” Bushaw said in a statement. “Therefore, the member is to use Life Time’s women’s locker room.”

Ellisville police Capt. Andy Vaughn said the agency on Friday received a report of alleged indecent exposure at the gym that is being investigated. No charges have been filed."

Link

One person causing mass hysteria. It would be comical if not for its repressive repercussions. Think the Facebook statement is fiction? Seems likely.

I see nothing other than lawful protest and procedure.

 

[CLAX1911]

I posted the quote where you said it.

Where you misunderstood. It's okay I take responsibility to that misunderstanding. I further explained to help you better understand. If you read that and double down I can't be held responsible for it.

Don't try to wiggle away from it now.

Deal with your persecution complex.

Don't try to play these semantic games with me.

Play victim.

 

[Lisa]

Where you misunderstood. It's okay I take responsibility to that misunderstanding. I further explained to help you better understand. If you read that and double down I can't be held responsible for it.
Deal with your persecution complex.

I never claimed to be persecuted. I corrected your inaccuracy.

Play victim.

Ive never claimed to be the victim. Your attempt to deflect is not successful.

 

[Helix]

Be honest I never thought to make a fuss about it. Looking back I probably should have. When I was growing up there was this philosophy that modesty was weakness. Wanting privacy made you less of a man I don't know how it worked in the girls bathroom.

And so I did what a lot of other students did and just held it all day didn't eat breakfast. Ate very little lunch because I didn't want to have to use the bathroom without having any privacy at all.

I figured my complaint would be dismissed and I would be laughed at. I wish I'd had the willingness to speak up back then I might have made a difference.

I asked for passes to use the restroom during class or sneaked to the newer connected school that actually had stall doors.

 

[CLAX1911]

I never claimed to be persecuted. I corrected your inaccuracy.

Ive never claimed to be the victim. Your attempt to deflect is not successful.

I explained you either get it or you don't.

If you want to make believe I'm out to get the trans people I no longer care that you think that there's nothing I can do to make you stop thinking that so believe whatever you want I no longer care.

 

[CLAX1911]

I asked for passes to use the restroom during class or sneaked to the newer connected school that actually had stall doors.

This was something I got away with doing in high school.

 

[Ginger Ale]

There is no study that you can cite that says that transwomen (a male who self-identifies as a woman in terms of gender identity) is really a woman in terms of biological sex.

The main issue isn't safety, it's the discomfort of women in having biological males in their women-only spaces.

Also, it depends on what you mean by "safety." When trans people and their "Allies" talk of their own safety, they refer to almost anything, including being exposed to wrong-think or ideas they don't like to hear expressed. Their own safety includes the right to "feel" safe, and "feel" welcome, etc. Yet, for some reason when other people's "safety" is being taken into consideration, they want to limit safety to physical attacks. Don't women have the right to "feel" safe? Doesn't their safety include their mental well being and feelings of comfort, just like the trans folks claim they're entitled to?

This is an ignorant post on all accounts. IMO. I'm only going to offer my opinion.
My advice is to do more research before you speak. Feel free to graze the thread to find what others have already posted including links to info contradicting your points. Where on page 13, and I've already done this rodeo. Have fun!

 

[Proudmoore]

Is someone waltzing into the wrong bathroom seriously a reason for an emergency rally by their elected officials?

 

[CLAX1911]

Is someone waltzing into the wrong bathroom seriously a reason for an emergency rally by their elected officials?

I don't think officials have a role in it it's more of a cultural thing. Officials are just trying to capitalize on whatever is used to be ginning up the most emotion among people.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Be honest I never thought to make a fuss about it. Looking back I probably should have. When I was growing up there was this philosophy that modesty was weakness. Wanting privacy made you less of a man I don't know how it worked in the girls bathroom.

I think it was just that men didn't care. As a little kid at this family place we'd go to, they had one of those old school bathrooms where you'd go and there was a long trough to urinate in. No divider 2 or 3 people urinating in the same basin, basically. As a little kid, I always waited until I could get in and out of there without anyone else being there.

And so I did what a lot of other students did and just held it all day didn't eat breakfast. Ate very little lunch because I didn't want to have to use the bathroom without having any privacy at all.

I figured my complaint would be dismissed and I would be laughed at. I wish I'd had the willingness to speak up back then I might have made a difference.

Nobody really cared. It is mostly a thing for women to want that kind of privacy. I mean, women are, lik, okay with you seeing them with a string bikini on, but if you see htem in their panties and bra, covering more skin, many will be upset. There's also a kind of thing with a lot of women - they don't want men to see them getting ready (not so much their husbands or boyfriends, but strangers. Women going to the restroom to primp, don't want to be seen primping - at least a lot of women are like that. It makes sense. It's not something that bothers me. I just think women should be able to have a restroom where only females go. If it's a unixex bathroom, so be it. Just put the right sign up.

That's the thing - if the Left is correct about how little it matters that anyone go into one or the other bathroom, then just make the bathrooms unisex. Problem solved. That wouldn't bother most men, but it would bother a lot of women.

 

[CLAX1911]

I think it was just that men didn't care. As a little kid at this family place we'd go to, they had one of those old school bathrooms where you'd go and there was a long trough to urinate in. No divider 2 or 3 people urinating in the same basin, basically. As a little kid, I always waited until I could get in and out of there without anyone else being there.

when there was a blend between two philosophies regarding this sort of thing boys don't care which isn't true. I'm one of the things that didn't do when I was in school you know what was make us shower in a giant community shower together.

But I remember people explaining it you got to learn to do things you don't want to do. I was already at school I didn't want to be there.

Nobody really cared. It is mostly a thing for women to want that kind of privacy. I mean, women are, lik, okay with you seeing them with a string bikini on, but if you see htem in their panties and bra, covering more skin, many will be upset. There's also a kind of thing with a lot of women - they don't want men to see them getting ready (not so much their husbands or boyfriends, but strangers. Women going to the restroom to primp, don't want to be seen primping - at least a lot of women are like that. It makes sense. It's not something that bothers me. I just think women should be able to have a restroom where only females go. If it's a unixex bathroom, so be it. Just put the right sign up.

That's the thing - if the Left is correct about how little it matters that anyone go into one or the other bathroom, then just make the bathrooms unisex. Problem solved. That wouldn't bother most men, but it would bother a lot of women.

I imagine the existence of single sex bathrooms is because women wanted that.