A Tale of two headlines

ABC versus Reuters

ABC's version: Destroyed CIA Tapes Probe Heating Up

Compare with Reuters: Probe of CIA video destruction winding down

Huh?

So, is it heating up or winding down?

Media bias what?

JMak said:

ABC versus Reuters

ABC's version: Destroyed CIA Tapes Probe Heating Up

Compare with Reuters: Probe of CIA video destruction winding down

Huh?

So, is it heating up or winding down?

Media bias what?

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I don't see it as "bias" per se, just a perspective difference. ABC is implying that the interviewing process is the heating up oint when things come to a boil, so to say.

Rueters is looking at the interviewing process as the final point of the investigation.

These two things are not mutually exclusive, when one looks at my "coming to a boil" analogy.

In the case of something coming to a boil, it is in fact literally "heating up", as the end draws near.

It is simply the use of a different analogy to describe the same phenomenon: The final stages of something.

I don't see any legitimate argument for bias based on the two statments literally being different metaphors to describe the same thing.

Tucker Case said:

I don't see it as "bias" per se, just a perspective difference. ABC is implying that the interviewing process is the heating up oint when things come to a boil, so to say.

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The bias is in ABC's and Reuters decision to characterize the process as anything other than on-going.

I don't see any legitimate argument for bias based on the two statments literally being different metaphors to describe the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Heating up would imply the upward slope of a trend, no? I.e., to use your metaphor, the water is coming up to a boil according to ABC. But Reuters is saying that the water is cooling down, i.e., having already boiled. They're both talking about the same thing, the water, but describing it in two different ways.

ABC seeks to cast this as something new, just getting started, another scandal brewing. Reuters properly reports the news, i.e., court records revealing something, i.e., the wrapping up of a year-long investigation.

JMak said:

The bias is in ABC's and Reuters decision to characterize the process as anything other than on-going.

Heating up would imply the upward slope of a trend, no? I.e., to use your metaphor, the water is coming up to a boil according to ABC. But Reuters is saying that the water is cooling down, i.e., having already boiled. They're both talking about the same thing, the water, but describing it in two different ways.

ABC seeks to cast this as something new, just getting started, another scandal brewing. Reuters properly reports the news, i.e., court records revealing something, i.e., the wrapping up of a year-long investigation.

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I see it more as ABC using a fairly crappy metaphor in order to draw more people to the story. Rueters on the otherhand, chose the more appropriate metaphor because the investigation appears to be drawing to a close.

In the end, though, the two metaphors can be viewed as "drawing to an end" depending on perspective.

To me, Rueters has a more honest headline, as the implications of that metaphor are not very easily confused for a different meaning.

In total, I don't think ABC is showing bias as much as they are showing sensationalism.

JMak said:

ABC versus Reuters

ABC's version: Destroyed CIA Tapes Probe Heating Up

Compare with Reuters: Probe of CIA video destruction winding down

Huh?

So, is it heating up or winding down?

Media bias what?

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I have to wonder how this fits into the religious conservative belief of the news media being some huge liberal run entity. If the news media was some big conspiracy wouldn't both these news sources have the SAME type of title?

Hatuey said:

I have to wonder how this fits into the religious conservative belief of the news media being some huge liberal run entity. If the news media was some big conspiracy wouldn't both these news sources have the SAME type of title?

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I personally see the bias as a sort of corporate-liberal-centrist values system more than any definite consensus. That is what you get here and it is far more than just news. You rarely get a conservative or traditionalist even slant in Britain and they constantly push "liberal" or PC liberal viewpoints often quite subtly.

I was watching the Vicar of Dibley the other day, it was the Christmas special from 2006 and she was talking about how much thins have changed in a decade. She mentioned back then they were fighting for the rights of women vicars and now they are fighting for the rights of openly gay vicars. This is one of the most popular British comedies(and we do the best comedies of course:2razz and here they are pushing their liberal political views.

Hatuey said:

I have to wonder how this fits into the religious conservative belief of the news media being some huge liberal run entity.

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The answer is simple...conservatives possess no such belief. Next strawman?

Tucker Case said:

I see it more as ABC using a fairly crappy metaphor in order to draw more people to the story. Rueters on the otherhand, chose the more appropriate metaphor because the investigation appears to be drawing to a close.

In the end, though, the two metaphors can be viewed as "drawing to an end" depending on perspective.

To me, Rueters has a more honest headline, as the implications of that metaphor are not very easily confused for a different meaning.

In total, I don't think ABC is showing bias as much as they are showing sensationalism.

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I don't see how you could consider "heating up" is a metaphor for winding down. I just don't.

JMak said:

I don't see how you could consider "heating up" is a metaphor for winding down. I just don't.

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Well think of it in terms of boiling something. Just as things are about to come to a boil, htey are heating up. Once boiling begins, there is no further increase in temperature. It'll stay constant at 212 degrees, no matter how long the boil occurs. So just as things are about to come to a boil, they are "heating up" as they aproach the climax, which is shortly followed by the conclusion.

From the persective of the article, the interviewing process is the climax, and thus the boiling point of the story in question.

But the article was written in the perspective of just prior to said climax. Very shortly after the climax, the end occurs.

Don't think of the two metaphors as related. Think of them independently of each otehr. Both are describing the same event in different ways.

Things heating up implies that it will soon be a climactic moment (which happens at the END of a story).


And the thing is, winding down does not imply "slower" or less climactic. An egg timer winds down, but it never heats up.

Both stories are using different metaphors to describe the exact same thing: the approach of the end.

They are just using different metaphors. One describes time, the other describes cooking.

In other wqords, I'm not saying "Heating up" is a metaphor for "winding down" since winding down is ALSO a metaphor.

They are BOTH metaphors used to describe the end of something.

JMak said:

The answer is simple...conservatives possess no such belief. Next strawman?

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Media bias what?

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Contradict yourself much?

Hatuey said:

Contradict yourself much?

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No.

You claimed that conservatives hold the, "belief of the news media being some huge liberal run entity."

I said that conservatives do not.

My claim of media bias here is in no way dependent on the view that the news media is "some huge liberal run entity."

What do you not understand about that?

Or are you being obtuse for some other reason?

JMak said:

No.

You claimed that conservatives hold the, "belief of the news media being some huge liberal run entity."

I said that conservatives do not.

My claim of media bias here is in no way dependent on the view that the news media is "some huge liberal run entity."

What do you not understand about that?

Or are you being obtuse for some other reason?

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Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bias is a term used to describe a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective, ideology or result, especially when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.[1] The term biased is used to describe an action, judgment, or other outcome influenced by a prejudged perspective. It is also used to refer to a person or body of people whose actions or judgments exhibit bias. In this context, the term "biased" is often used as a pejorative.

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So towards which ideology does this media bias lean Mr. JMak? Or are you going to keep playing semantics all day?

Hatuey said:

So towards which ideology does this media bias lean Mr. JMak? Or are you going to keep playing semantics all day?

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Perhaps he meant they didn't think the bias was some Cartoonish conspiracy and was rather something like I indicated above.

Hatuey said:

Bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So towards which ideology does this media bias lean Mr. JMak? Or are you going to keep playing semantics all day?

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Uh, clown, my claim of bias here is not dependent upon the media being run by some huge liberal entity.

Are you suggesting that a liberal bias can only exist if the the media is run by some huge liberal entity?

Seriously, do yuo suspend reason and logic all the time or just when it suits your trolling?

JMak said:

ABC versus Reuters

ABC's version: Destroyed CIA Tapes Probe Heating Up

Compare with Reuters: Probe of CIA video destruction winding down

Huh?

So, is it heating up or winding down?

Media bias what?

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CIA destroys tape, impeach Obama. :rofl

No matter what side you are on it is a disgrace that medias are openly declaring allegiance to any side. Take it one step further and eliminate one of two sides all together and what will we have?