And Virginia, a "right to work" state, is like 7th.
Not that it matters, since once again, you are relating two things that have nothing to do with each other.
Can you show that the high union participation is the cause of that high standard of living?Sweden in 85% unionized and has one of the highest standards of living in the World...above that of the USA.
Everyone everywhere has the right not to join a Union. No one anywhere should have a "right" to employment of any kind. People who want to work without joining a Union need to find an employer who will hire them, or need to start their own business. I don't quite see where the issue lies. Is the government seriously going to step in and force a company to hire a non-union member?
If the company has made a contract with a Union that they will only hire Union members, then you have to join the union to work for that company.
The venerable ad-hom, the bastion from which those that have nothing to say proudly do so.Well, if you wanna be a pathetic scab of a man...
Well, if you wanna be a pathetic scab of a man and refuse to fight alongside your brothers in the quite necessary struggle to maintain even the most basic protections of the working class, that's fine.
You're free to be a pathetic scab, to grovel at the feet of the owners under the assumption that you're special, that you someday will get to be the oppressor rather than the oppressed as a reward for being such a good dog.
Since the 70's we've been in a state of absolute regression. Workers get a worse and worse deal. We get paid less to do more work. We're buried in debt up to our eyeballs. Our benefits and pensions are disappearing. If you're a production worker and you still think that production workers have it too easy, and that the owners have it too rough, that they need help to get another jet, I guess by your conscience you should refuse to be in a union. Can't hold that against you.
Of course, if some of your comrades characterize you as a pathetic scab bastard because of your decision, shun you in the workplace or do pretty much whatever else to voice their displeasure with you, well, I couldn't hold that against them either. Fair is fair.
We have RTW in Idaho which is in no danger of being repealed. Our cost of living is lower and our economy tends to fare better than elsewhere. As long as unions force you to support their political candidates and causes with your dues, RTW will not only continue, but increase.Here in SD we're a "right to work" state because we recognize a person's right to earn a living is far greater than the unions right to regulate the work environment.
Personal freedom FTW :2wave:
We have RTW in Idaho which is in no danger of being repealed. Our cost of living is lower and our economy tends to fare better than elsewhere. As long as unions force you to support their political candidates and causes with your dues, RTW will not only continue, but increase.
What's the average salary where you are? Not an accusatory question, just curious.
I'm not sure, but it is lower than many other places. But our cost of living is also much lower. Drive around Boise sometime and try to find a ghetto or a slum.What's the average salary where you are? Not an accusatory question, just curious.
I mean it's been over 200 years now and Blue States are still out pacing you in income, education, divorce rates, teenage births, etc.
34th in per Capita Income.
When are the benefits of thes right wing policies going to kick in?
I mean it's been over 200 years now and Blue States are still out pacing you in income, education, divorce rates, teenage births, etc.
I'm not sure, but it is lower than many other places. But our cost of living is also much lower. Drive around Boise sometime and try to find a ghetto or a slum.
Your wages would depend on your job performance and the labor market.That being said, how would my wages go up exactly without them?
Your wages would depend on your job performance and the labor market.
Are you afraid you can't compete?
Do you like getting paid the same as the guy who slacks off and owes his same-as-you wage and benefits package to the mere fact that you and he are in a union?Not in the slightest, but studies show that hard work and skill are often far less linked to unregulated pay than one's ability to schmooze and ask for what one wants effectively. I don't like the idea of a guy who does the same job as me being able to just talk his way into a greater compensation without doing anything better.
It would be less favorable to the slackers and more favorable to the skilled and motivated - as it should be.And my point is that de-unionizing opens the labor market such that it would make conditions indisputably less favorable for most workers. How would that ever be to their benefit?
....and less favorable for those that would force you to support political causes and campaigns you oppose.Do you like getting paid the same as the guy who slacks off and owes his same-as-you wage and benefits package to the mere fact that you and he are in a union?
It would be less favorable to the slackers and more favorable to the skilled and motivated - as it should be.
Well, sure -- unions are interested in getting the best deal that they can (that is, the most compensation for the least work) for their memebers in as much as doing so gives them the opportunity to gain and retain as much political power as possible.....and less favorable for those that would force you to support political causes and campaigns you oppose.
Do you like getting paid the same as the guy who slacks off and owes his same-as-you wage and benefits package to the mere fact that you and he are in a union?
It would be less favorable to the slackers and more favorable to the skilled and motivated - as it should be.
Well, sure -- unions are interested in getting the best deal that they can (that is, the most compensation for the least work) for their memebers in as much as doing so gives them the opportunity to gain and retain as much political power as possible.
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