"EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally. "
(attention cons, read this next part very slowly. read it as many times as necessary)
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/opinion/a-republican-case-for-climate-action.html?_r=0
"EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally. "
(attention cons, read this next part very slowly. read it as many times as necessary)
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/opinion/a-republican-case-for-climate-action.html?_r=0
and the silly cons respond on cue. Its amazing how they cling to the lies of anybody who tells them what they want to believe. amazing. er Lowdown I don't know how you can say the "average global temperature stopped rising 17 ago" when the last decade was the warmest decade on record.
and the silly cons respond on cue. Its amazing how they cling to the lies of anybody who tells them what they want to believe. amazing. er Lowdown I don't know how you can say the "average global temperature stopped rising 17 ago" when the last decade was the warmest decade on record.
Scientifically, its totally clear that CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning are causing warming of the planet and climate change.
Politically, its not so clear. And the knuckle draggers have about fifty weak arguments to throw at it, such as "its not been warming for x years (x being the number of years since the hottest year in 1998, which has been close to equaled twice since then), and how 'models are always wrong'.
But virtually all of the major scientific bodies agree CAGW is real and will be an issue. The Republican Party cant even pass routine bills in Congress, much less agree to deal with a major issue like climate change, so we will have to wait until they get slammed in elections like they inevitably will be before change is seen in the US.
May I ask a simple question? Is there not an equal chance that summers would be cooler due to the insulating effects of these gasses?
May I ask a simple question? Is there not an equal chance that summers would be cooler due to the insulating effects of these gasses?
if you want to see a example of the greenhouse effect, look at the surface of Venus, and the temperatures that it regularly receives.
Nope.
It's not insulating, its more like 'heat trapping'.
The same way that sleeping under a blanket in the summer isn't cooler.
But summers could be cooler in some places be ause of local climate effects.
The mass of Venus's atmosphere is 100 times greater than earth's and is 96.5% CO2. How does that correlate to the 0.035% CO2 in our atmosphere? Why bother trying to compare the two?
i was not making a comparison, i don't think i was making one, i was just pointing out the effects of the greenhouse effect on the planet venus.
Fair point, my apologies.
So your view is that heat is trapped, but how was the heat generated in the first place? As I see it, these gasses would lead to cooler summers (think about a cloudy day) and warmer winters...
It's not really my view. It's the science.
The heat that is trapped is solar heat.
It never ceases to amaze me how those who are against global warming never seem to understand how ridiculous it is to use a non-round number like 16 or 17 when discussing something like this. All it does is make it pretty clear you're not interested in looking at the larger picture and instead are simply focusing on one particular point.The average global temperature stopped rising 17 years ago and the rise still hasn't resumed.
"EACH of us took turns over the past 43 years running the Environmental Protection Agency. We served Republican presidents, but we have a message that transcends political affiliation: the United States must move now on substantive steps to curb climate change, at home and internationally. "
(attention cons, read this next part very slowly. read it as many times as necessary)
There is no longer any credible scientific debate about the basic facts: our world continues to warm, with the last decade the hottest in modern records, and the deep ocean warming faster than the earth’s atmosphere. Sea level is rising. Arctic Sea ice is melting years faster than projected.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/opinion/a-republican-case-for-climate-action.html?_r=0
and the silly cons respond on cue. Its amazing how they cling to the lies of anybody who tells them what they want to believe. amazing. er Lowdown I don't know how you can say the "average global temperature stopped rising 17 ago" when the last decade was the warmest decade on record.
Such a firm belief and not a fact to stand it on.
Where does the data for deep ocean warming come from? There is no reliable or consistent method of data collection from this depth in the ocean. The Argo Array let you down and did not support the hysteria for the ocean warming to the 3000 meter depth.
The world has cooled according to every data collection agency on the planet over the last decade.
Of the last ten years, 2013 has more ice than five and less ice than five. It has more ice than the most recent five. Sounds like the cooling is being represented by the ice extent in the Arctic.
Scientifically, its totally clear that CO2 emissions from fossil fuel burning are causing warming of the planet and climate change.
Politically, its not so clear. And the knuckle draggers have about fifty weak arguments to throw at it, such as "its not been warming for x years (x being the number of years since the hottest year in 1998, which has been close to equaled twice since then), and how 'models are always wrong'.
But virtually all of the major scientific bodies agree CAGW is real and will be an issue. The Republican Party cant even pass routine bills in Congress, much less agree to deal with a major issue like climate change, so we will have to wait until they get slammed in elections like they inevitably will be before change is seen in the US.
May I ask a simple question? Is there not an equal chance that summers would be cooler due to the insulating effects of these gasses?
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