A Reminder On How Christian Post Once Viewed Trump

Geoist · Dec 27, 2019

It is interesting to see this little civil war take place in the Christian community over Trump. It has been going on with my family (and I'm sure many others) and now it is going on more publicly between Christian leaders and publications.

As we all know, Christianity Today posted an op-ed denouncing Trump and supporting his impeachment and removal. A lot of people were apparently shocked over this. I wasn't. Christianity Today is one of the few religious publications I sometimes read. They are fairly moderate and don't wallow in conspiracy theories and sacrifice at the alter of the GOP. On Trump, they were at best ambivalent. Well, now over 200 pastors have come out to denounce CT (surprise surprise) and other Christian publications have done the same, including Christian Post. CP's own editorial supporting Trump, however, has led to one of its editors stepping down. Apparently, CP was not always pro-Trump. They released an editorial in 2016 titled 'Donald Trump is a Scam.'

Some choice quotes from Christian Post 2016:

"Donald Trump does not represent the interests of evangelicals and would be a dangerous leader for our country."

"his words and actions do not demonstrate the "fruit of the spirit.""

"The grievances of Trump's supporters are legitimate. Politicians for too long have promised to represent the best interests of all Americans before an election, only to represent the interest of their cronies after the election. But Trump's followers are being fooled into believing that he can help them."

And mostly interesting:

"Trump is promising many things that he cannot possibly deliver, but the most frightening part is Trump's stated willingness to ignore the authority of the Supreme Court, Congress and the U.S. Constitution if he were to become president."

"Trump, an admirer of Vladimir Putin and other dictatorial leaders, may claim to be your friend and protector now, but as his history indicates, without your full support he will turn on you, and use whatever power is within his means to punish you."

Soooo... did Donald Trump change or did the Christian Post? (rhetorical question, of course).

OpportunityCost · Dec 27, 2019

Geoist said:
It is interesting to see this little civil war take place in the Christian community over Trump. It has been going on with my family (and I'm sure many others) and now it is going on more publicly between Christian leaders and publications.

As we all know, Christianity Today posted an op-ed denouncing Trump and supporting his impeachment and removal. A lot of people were apparently shocked over this. I wasn't. Christianity Today is one of the few religious publications I sometimes read. They are fairly moderate and don't wallow in conspiracy theories and sacrifice at the alter of the GOP. On Trump, they were at best ambivalent. Well, now over 200 pastors have come out to denounce CT (surprise surprise) and other Christian publications have done the same, including Christian Post. CP's own editorial supporting Trump, however, has led to one of its editors stepping down. Apparently, CP was not always pro-Trump. They released an editorial in 2016 titled 'Donald Trump is a Scam.'

Some choice quotes from Christian Post 2016:

"Donald Trump does not represent the interests of evangelicals and would be a dangerous leader for our country."

"his words and actions do not demonstrate the "fruit of the spirit.""

"The grievances of Trump's supporters are legitimate. Politicians for too long have promised to represent the best interests of all Americans before an election, only to represent the interest of their cronies after the election. But Trump's followers are being fooled into believing that he can help them."

And mostly interesting:

"Trump is promising many things that he cannot possibly deliver, but the most frightening part is Trump's stated willingness to ignore the authority of the Supreme Court, Congress and the U.S. Constitution if he were to become president."

"Trump, an admirer of Vladimir Putin and other dictatorial leaders, may claim to be your friend and protector now, but as his history indicates, without your full support he will turn on you, and use whatever power is within his means to punish you."

Soooo... did Donald Trump change or did the Christian Post? (rhetorical question, of course).

The Christian Post wants to have their cake and eat it too.

Who would do more to advance Christian causes and policy that affects Christians in a positive way, Hillary or Trump? Which one is almost hostile to Christian ideas and causes, Hillary or Trump?

Its stupid to suggest that Trump is a perfect leader or person, but for policy that positively affects Christians and pillars of Christian politics, he has undoubtedly been better than Hillary would have been.

Geoist · Dec 27, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
The Christian Post wants to have their cake and eat it too.

Who would do more to advance Christian causes and policy that affects Christians in a positive way, Hillary or Trump? Which one is almost hostile to Christian ideas and causes, Hillary or Trump?

Its stupid to suggest that Trump is a perfect leader or person, but for policy that positively affects Christians and pillars of Christian politics, he has undoubtedly been better than Hillary would have been.

Satan himself tried to make deals with Jesus. I'd rather my government leaders focus on tending government rather than pushing the agendas of certain power-hungry pastors who claim to represent me.

Trump is only going to bring down the religion like he does with everyone and everything else. Young Christians see the hypocrisy going on. What happened to 'character matters' during the Clinton Impeachment?

OpportunityCost · Dec 27, 2019

Geoist said:
Satan himself tried to make deals with Jesus. I'd rather my government leaders focus on tending government rather than pushing the agendas of certain power-hungry pastors who claim to represent me.

Trump is only going to bring down the religion like he does with everyone and everything else. Young Christians see the hypocrisy going on. What happened to 'character matters' during the Clinton Impeachment?

You brought it up. I gave you my viewpoint. That you don't accept or are trying to spin it doesn't surprise me. Your take is wrong.

Geoist · Dec 27, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
You brought it up. I gave you my viewpoint. That you don't accept or are trying to spin it doesn't surprise me. Your take is wrong.

Wtf kind of response is that? You do realize this is a debate forum, right? :lamo

Divine_Wind · Dec 27, 2019

Geoist said:
It is interesting to see this little civil war take place in the Christian community over Trump. It has been going on with my family (and I'm sure many others) and now it is going on more publicly between Christian leaders and publications.

As we all know, Christianity Today posted an op-ed denouncing Trump and supporting his impeachment and removal. A lot of people were apparently shocked over this. I wasn't. Christianity Today is one of the few religious publications I sometimes read. They are fairly moderate and don't wallow in conspiracy theories and sacrifice at the alter of the GOP. On Trump, they were at best ambivalent. Well, now over 200 pastors have come out to denounce CT (surprise surprise) and other Christian publications have done the same, including Christian Post. CP's own editorial supporting Trump, however, has led to one of its editors stepping down. Apparently, CP was not always pro-Trump. They released an editorial in 2016 titled 'Donald Trump is a Scam.'

Some choice quotes from Christian Post 2016:

"Donald Trump does not represent the interests of evangelicals and would be a dangerous leader for our country."

"his words and actions do not demonstrate the "fruit of the spirit.""

"The grievances of Trump's supporters are legitimate. Politicians for too long have promised to represent the best interests of all Americans before an election, only to represent the interest of their cronies after the election. But Trump's followers are being fooled into believing that he can help them."

And mostly interesting:

"Trump is promising many things that he cannot possibly deliver, but the most frightening part is Trump's stated willingness to ignore the authority of the Supreme Court, Congress and the U.S. Constitution if he were to become president."

"Trump, an admirer of Vladimir Putin and other dictatorial leaders, may claim to be your friend and protector now, but as his history indicates, without your full support he will turn on you, and use whatever power is within his means to punish you."

Soooo... did Donald Trump change or did the Christian Post? (rhetorical question, of course).

The Christian Post didn't change and Trump is still the lying, draft-dodging coward he always was.

Divine_Wind · Dec 27, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
The Christian Post wants to have their cake and eat it too.

Who would do more to advance Christian causes and policy that affects Christians in a positive way, Hillary or Trump? Which one is almost hostile to Christian ideas and causes, Hillary or Trump?

Its stupid to suggest that Trump is a perfect leader or person, but for policy that positively affects Christians and pillars of Christian politics, he has undoubtedly been better than Hillary would have been.

In short, when given only two viable choices, Christians will support the demonic lying POS who can do the most for them.

Checkerboard Strangler · Dec 27, 2019

Geoist said:
Satan himself tried to make deals with Jesus. I'd rather my government leaders focus on tending government rather than pushing the agendas of certain power-hungry pastors who claim to represent me.

Trump is only going to bring down the religion like he does with everyone and everything else. Young Christians see the hypocrisy going on. What happened to 'character matters' during the Clinton Impeachment?

I am overjoyed to see the institutional evangelical snakes eating their own tails and committing suicide.
Maybe someday, generations from now, simple individual spiritual walks of faith will once again become meaningful, not vast sprawling mega-church complexes with jets, yachts and broadcasting networks built around a gravy train spewing from the pocketbooks of old ladies who are terrified of the manufactured hobgoblins festooning their TV screens and shrieking through their radios.

But for now, we witness the great culling, the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff.
And in a time of near-universal deceit, telling the truth is once again a dangerous and revolutionary act.

OpportunityCost · Dec 27, 2019

Rising Sun said:
In short, when given only two viable choices, Christians will support the demonic lying POS who can do the most for them.

In short, how the hell was Hillary Clinton any better as a human being? She wasn't.

OpportunityCost · Dec 27, 2019

Geoist said:
Wtf kind of response is that? You do realize this is a debate forum, right? :lamo

You, and the Christian Post are trying to portray Trump as bad, without examining how Hillary was not only just as bad, but would have been worse on policy for Christian ideas and causes. There is no other way to state it other than trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Divine_Wind · Dec 27, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
In short, how the hell was Hillary Clinton any better as a human being? She wasn't.

Not very Christian of you to say. Despite all of her numerous faults, lies and schemes, she's still a human being. Trump is only slightly less deplorable because he's dumber than her.

Divine_Wind · Dec 27, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
You, and the Christian Post are trying to portray Trump as bad, without examining how Hillary was not only just as bad, but would have been worse on policy for Christian ideas and causes. There is no other way to state it other than trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Trump is bad. He's a chronic liar and a draft-dodging coward.

OpportunityCost · Dec 27, 2019

Rising Sun said:
Trump is bad. He's a chronic liar and a draft-dodging coward.

Context sir, please try to keep up.

Divine_Wind · Dec 28, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
Context sir, please try to keep up.

Here, let me catch you up, sir: Lie of the Year 2019 Winner: Donald Trump

Trump Has Now Made Over 15,000 False or Misleading Claims in Office, Says Washington Post
It’s almost impressive. President Trump has now made 15,413 false or misleading claims over his 1,055 days in office, according to The Washington Post. That’s an average of nearly 15 every single day. The rate of the president’s mistruths appears to have rapidly accelerated this year, more than doubling the total number for his three years in office. The newspaper’s Fact Checker states that, in 2017, Trump made 1,999 false or misleading claims, then added 5,689 in 2018 for a year-end total of 7,688. Trump crossed the 10,000 mark this year on April 26, but has shot well above 15,000 with a few weeks of 2019 left to go. His most repeated claim, which accounts for 242 of the total, is that the U.S. economy is the best in history. The key reason for this year’s jump is his call with Ukraine’s president on July 25 and the resulting impeachment inquiry. The Post reports that around 600 of the false or misleading claims made by the president in the past two months directly relate to the Ukraine investigation.

OpportunityCost · Dec 28, 2019

Rising Sun said:
Here, let me catch you up, sir: Lie of the Year 2019 Winner: Donald Trump

Trump Has Now Made Over 15,000 False or Misleading Claims in Office, Says Washington Post
It’s almost impressive. President Trump has now made 15,413 false or misleading claims over his 1,055 days in office, according to The Washington Post. That’s an average of nearly 15 every single day. The rate of the president’s mistruths appears to have rapidly accelerated this year, more than doubling the total number for his three years in office. The newspaper’s Fact Checker states that, in 2017, Trump made 1,999 false or misleading claims, then added 5,689 in 2018 for a year-end total of 7,688. Trump crossed the 10,000 mark this year on April 26, but has shot well above 15,000 with a few weeks of 2019 left to go. His most repeated claim, which accounts for 242 of the total, is that the U.S. economy is the best in history. The key reason for this year’s jump is his call with Ukraine’s president on July 25 and the resulting impeachment inquiry. The Post reports that around 600 of the false or misleading claims made by the president in the past two months directly relate to the Ukraine investigation.

Get over your petulant, childish orange man bad bull**** and examine the CONTEXT. If you cannot, you aren't worth talking to.

Divine_Wind · Dec 28, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
Get over your petulant, childish orange man bad bull**** and examine the CONTEXT. If you cannot, you aren't worth talking to.

Awesome rant! You almost sound like an adult.

OpportunityCost · Dec 28, 2019

Rising Sun said:
Awesome rant! You almost sound like an adult.

You going to keep tossing chum or are you going to try to have a conversation?

Divine_Wind · Dec 28, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
You going to keep tossing chum or are you going to try to have a conversation?

People who sincerely want a conversation don't post things like this:

OpportunityCost said:
Get over your petulant, childish orange man bad bull**** and examine the CONTEXT. If you cannot, you aren't worth talking to.

OpportunityCost · Dec 28, 2019

Rising Sun said:
People who sincerely want a conversation don't post things like this:

I did so after you went on a rant about just Trump. My point is entirely about his policy decisions versus the ones Hillary would make, while their character, or lack of it would essentially cancel each other out.

But you only want to rant about Trump.

Divine_Wind · Dec 28, 2019

OpportunityCost said:
I did so after you went on a rant about just Trump. My point is entirely about his policy decisions versus the ones Hillary would make, while their character, or lack of it would essentially cancel each other out.

But you only want to rant about Trump.

Disagreed. Besides, the thread is about Trump, not me. Why are you trying to derail it from Trump?

Hillary is a has-been drunk. Why are you trying to derail the thread off Trump and onto an old politician so corrupt even the Democrats don't want her back?

OpportunityCost · Dec 28, 2019

Rising Sun said:
Disagreed. Besides, the thread is about Trump, not me. Why are you trying to derail it from Trump?

Hillary is a has-been drunk. Why are you trying to derail the thread off Trump and onto an old politician so corrupt even the Democrats don't want her back?

If you think I am trying to derail the thread you just hit he triangle. Play mod on someone else's time.

The topic is the Christian Post's view of Trump and I have been commenting on that, you should try it.

Geoist · Jan 3, 2020

OpportunityCost said:
You, and the Christian Post are trying to portray Trump as bad, without examining how Hillary was not only just as bad, but would have been worse on policy for Christian ideas and causes. There is no other way to state it other than trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Christian Republicans had an opportunity to vote for someone else in the Republican Primaries. They went with Trump whole-heartedly. They are exposed for the hypocrites they truly are. No one is going to take them seriously when they go back to talking about 'character counting' the next time a Democrat holds the WH, or really any position of power.

Geoist · Jan 3, 2020

OpportunityCost said:
I did so after you went on a rant about just Trump. My point is entirely about his policy decisions versus the ones Hillary would make,

Well, Trump is now stirring **** up in the ME. So he no longer has that argument going for him.

while their character, or lack of it would essentially cancel each other out.

So Hillary would've been having regular tweetstorm tantrums, too?

OpportunityCost · Jan 3, 2020

Geoist said:
Christian Republicans had an opportunity to vote for someone else in the Republican Primaries. They went with Trump whole-heartedly. They are exposed for the hypocrites they truly are. No one is going to take them seriously when they go back to talking about 'character counting' the next time a Democrat holds the WH, or really any position of power.

That's bull****. You must not have followed the primaries because it took a long time for Trump to win by anything other than small pluralities.

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Geoist · Jan 3, 2020

OpportunityCost said:
That's bull****. You must not have followed the primaries because it took a long time for Trump to win by anything other than small pluralities.

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A CBS News poll of Republican primary voters nationally this month showed Mr. Trump leading Mr. Cruz among evangelicals 33 percent to 22 percent.

In South Carolina, where Mr. Trump won a commanding victory, earning all 50 delegates, he carried evangelicals by six percentage points over Mr. Cruz and 11 percentage points over Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, according to exit polls.

Donald Trump, Despite Impieties, Wins Hearts of Evangelical Voters - The New York Times

A Reminder On How Christian Post Once Viewed Trump

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