A Question for everyone pertaining to Indiana's Religious Freedom Law.

Grim17 · Apr 2, 2015

If you have an opinion on the Indiana Religious Freedom law, this question is right up your alley. Rather than answering the following question from a legal perspective, or based on the Indiana law, just choose the answer you feel is right, or in your opinion is the best of the 4 choices:

Let's say a gay couple goes to a restaurant they've frequented in the past, because they're heard they are the best caterer in the area and are interested in hiring them to cater their upcoming wedding. After approaching the owner of the restaurant and requesting their services, the owner of the establishment politely informed them that they would gladly cater a birthday party, office party, or a host of other events or gatherings for them, but because her and her family are devout Muslims, they only cater weddings that conform with the tenets of their religious beliefs. The owner then recommends a few alternative caterers that might accommodate them.

So, how should the gay couple handle the situation in your opinion? Should they:

a) Respect the owners religious convictions even though they aren't happy about the situation, thank her for her time, and look for someone else to cater their wedding.

b) Voice their displeasure with the owner at being "discriminated against", label her a homophobe and vow to spread the word that her restaurant is not a gay-friendly establishment. Then proceed to search for another establishment to cater the wedding.

c) Inform the owner that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation and if she didn't reconsider and accept the job, they would file a discrimination lawsuit against her and the restaurant, seeking damages.

d) Both "b" and "c".

Bonus Question:

Which answer or answers best demonstrate tolerance and understanding, and which do not?

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sawdust · Apr 2, 2015

Grim17 said:
If you have an opinion on the Indiana Religious Freedom law, this question is right up your alley. Rather than answering the following question from a legal perspective, or based on the Indiana law, just choose the answer you feel is right, or in your opinion is the best of the 2 choices:

Let's say a gay couple goes to a restaurant they've frequented in the past, because they're heard they are the best caterer in the area and are interested in hiring them to cater their upcoming wedding. After approaching the owner of the restaurant and requesting their services, the owner of the establishment politely informed them that they would gladly cater a birthday party, office party, or a host of other events or gatherings for them, but because her and her family are devout Muslims, they only cater weddings that conform with the tenets of their religious beliefs. The owner then recommends a few alternative caterers that might accommodate them.

So, how should the gay couple handle the situation in your opinion? Should they:

a) Respect the owners religious convictions even though they aren't happy about the situation, thank her for her time, and look for someone else to cater their wedding.

b) Voice their displeasure with the owner at being "discriminated against", label her a homophobe and vow to spread the word that her restaurant is not a gay-friendly establishment. Then proceed to search for another establishment to cater the wedding.

c) Inform the owner that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation and if she didn't reconsider and accept the job, they would file a discrimination lawsuit against her and the restaurant, seeking damages.

d) Both "b" and "c".

Bonus Question:

Which answer or answers best demonstrate tolerance and understanding, and which do not?

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A rational person would move on to the next caterer. The problem is that there are gay couples who search out this situation, get lawyers involved and try for a pay day. That's what happened to the woman who lost her bakery in the North West. They believe they are standing up for gay rights everywhere and profiting by it at the same time. It's just like the problem that some restaurant's have with the ADA. Lawyers in wheelchairs roll into restaurants with a tape measure and then write letters about non compliance with ADA. Of coarse they offer to settle out of court. It's a dirty business.

LagerHead · Apr 2, 2015

Grim17 said:
If you have an opinion on the Indiana Religious Freedom law, this question is right up your alley. Rather than answering the following question from a legal perspective, or based on the Indiana law, just choose the answer you feel is right, or in your opinion is the best of the 4 choices:

Let's say a gay couple goes to a restaurant they've frequented in the past, because they're heard they are the best caterer in the area and are interested in hiring them to cater their upcoming wedding. After approaching the owner of the restaurant and requesting their services, the owner of the establishment politely informed them that they would gladly cater a birthday party, office party, or a host of other events or gatherings for them, but because her and her family are devout Muslims, they only cater weddings that conform with the tenets of their religious beliefs. The owner then recommends a few alternative caterers that might accommodate them.

So, how should the gay couple handle the situation in your opinion? Should they:

a) Respect the owners religious convictions even though they aren't happy about the situation, thank her for her time, and look for someone else to cater their wedding.

b) Voice their displeasure with the owner at being "discriminated against", label her a homophobe and vow to spread the word that her restaurant is not a gay-friendly establishment. Then proceed to search for another establishment to cater the wedding.

c) Inform the owner that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation and if she didn't reconsider and accept the job, they would file a discrimination lawsuit against her and the restaurant, seeking damages.

d) Both "b" and "c".

Bonus Question:

Which answer or answers best demonstrate tolerance and understanding, and which do not?

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The obvious answer is A. Why someone would want to force someone that does not want to associate with them to do so is beyond me. The market has a way of dealing with these situations.

What's funny about people who don't want some people to have rights is they would never support the same thing in different situations. How many people can honestly say that a black-owned business should be forced to cater a KKK event? I hope nobody would support that. It's the same thing with different players.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

Grim17 said:
If you have an opinion on the Indiana Religious Freedom law, this question is right up your alley. Rather than answering the following question from a legal perspective, or based on the Indiana law, just choose the answer you feel is right, or in your opinion is the best of the 4 choices:

Let's say a gay couple goes to a restaurant they've frequented in the past, because they're heard they are the best caterer in the area and are interested in hiring them to cater their upcoming wedding. After approaching the owner of the restaurant and requesting their services, the owner of the establishment politely informed them that they would gladly cater a birthday party, office party, or a host of other events or gatherings for them, but because her and her family are devout Muslims, they only cater weddings that conform with the tenets of their religious beliefs. The owner then recommends a few alternative caterers that might accommodate them.

So, how should the gay couple handle the situation in your opinion? Should they:

a) Respect the owners religious convictions even though they aren't happy about the situation, thank her for her time, and look for someone else to cater their wedding.

b) Voice their displeasure with the owner at being "discriminated against", label her a homophobe and vow to spread the word that her restaurant is not a gay-friendly establishment. Then proceed to search for another establishment to cater the wedding.

c) Inform the owner that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation and if she didn't reconsider and accept the job, they would file a discrimination lawsuit against her and the restaurant, seeking damages.

d) Both "b" and "c".

Bonus Question:

Which answer or answers best demonstrate tolerance and understanding, and which do not?

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Once again a repub offers an analogy along the lines of simple math when usually it requires at least advanced algebra.

So answer all of the following.

Are they the only caterer within 50 miles?
Are they the only caterer offering a certain fare, not findable otherwise in the area?
Do they refuse to cater to folks who have had pre-marital sex?
Are they generally open to cater other weddings of folks who don't aren't Muslim? Seems they aren't supposed to be allowed to support other religions, nor are xians for that matter. Hell, don't get me started about the feud between Southern Baptist vs Missionary Baptist in Texas back in the day. Anyway the gist of the question is whether or not SSM is singled out where many/most of the other "sins" of people that "shouldn't" be supported are catered to?

I'm sure that there are more things to consider, but those are a few to get started.

Redress · Apr 2, 2015

Grim17 said:
If you have an opinion on the Indiana Religious Freedom law, this question is right up your alley. Rather than answering the following question from a legal perspective, or based on the Indiana law, just choose the answer you feel is right, or in your opinion is the best of the 4 choices:

Let's say a gay couple goes to a restaurant they've frequented in the past, because they're heard they are the best caterer in the area and are interested in hiring them to cater their upcoming wedding. After approaching the owner of the restaurant and requesting their services, the owner of the establishment politely informed them that they would gladly cater a birthday party, office party, or a host of other events or gatherings for them, but because her and her family are devout Muslims, they only cater weddings that conform with the tenets of their religious beliefs. The owner then recommends a few alternative caterers that might accommodate them.

So, how should the gay couple handle the situation in your opinion? Should they:

a) Respect the owners religious convictions even though they aren't happy about the situation, thank her for her time, and look for someone else to cater their wedding.

b) Voice their displeasure with the owner at being "discriminated against", label her a homophobe and vow to spread the word that her restaurant is not a gay-friendly establishment. Then proceed to search for another establishment to cater the wedding.

c) Inform the owner that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation and if she didn't reconsider and accept the job, they would file a discrimination lawsuit against her and the restaurant, seeking damages.

d) Both "b" and "c".

Bonus Question:

Which answer or answers best demonstrate tolerance and understanding, and which do not?

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Why do you think the religion of the person matters? It sure does not to me.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

Redress said:
Why do you think the religion of the person matters? It sure does not to me.

Because somehow these xian "victims" are under the impression that Islam is a protected religion at the moment and therefore are likely to have their religious rights considered. Just more of the faux-victim agenda.

tres borrachos · Apr 2, 2015

I thought the question was going to be "Can we possibly limit the number of threads regarding this subject to the 15 or so we already have?". I was excited for a minute.

To answer the actual question though, I'd say A, but then I couldn't make a political statement, file a suit, and get the internet keyboard warriors to go on a rampage, and what would be the fun in that? What I would actually do first though is tell the caterer that I disagree with his views and that my partner and I are great people. But I'd move on.

sawdust · Apr 2, 2015

Redress said:
Why do you think the religion of the person matters? It sure does not to me.

What do you think would happen if a gay couple went to a Muslim caterer and wanted them to serve scallops wrapped in bacon?

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

LagerHead said:
The obvious answer is A. Why someone would want to force someone that does not want to associate with them to do so is beyond me. The market has a way of dealing with these situations.

What's funny about people who don't want some people to have rights is they would never support the same thing in different situations. How many people can honestly say that a black-owned business should be forced to cater a KKK event? I hope nobody would support that. It's the same thing with different players.

There is a difference between people who choose to be a certain way, say all bigoty and full of hatred like the KKK, and those that don't choose to be a certain way, like the LGBT community. Furthermore the KKK is a direct and overt threat to blacks and jews, the LGBT community as a whole or individually is not a threat to anyone.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

sawdust said:
What do you think would happen if a gay couple went to a Muslim caterer and wanted them to serve scallops wrapped in bacon?

Caterers have certain menu items, they don't cater fully according to the menu choices of the clients. Some do, but they are way spendy and have been servicing gay events for decades, so are not an issue. Really it's only cake bakers and pizzerias, low end M&P, probably white trash owners who care to discriminate over making a sale anyway.

Point being, prior to hiring a caterer one is offered the menu options to choose from. It's not a whatever you want deal.

Redress · Apr 2, 2015

sawdust said:
What do you think would happen if a gay couple went to a Muslim caterer and wanted them to serve scallops wrapped in bacon?

True story: when I was in the navy, I worked for a guy who was a black muslim. He had a barbeque event for all of us in the shop, and we each had to bring a food. I, being entirely ignorant of muslims, brought pork chops.

sawdust · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Caterers have certain menu items, they don't cater fully according to the menu choices of the clients. Some do, but they are way spendy and have been servicing gay events for decades, so are not an issue. Really it's only cake bakers and pizzerias, low end M&P, probably white trash owners who care to discriminate over making a sale anyway.

Point being, prior to hiring a caterer one is offered the menu options to choose from. It's not a whatever you want deal.

I know. My wife is a caterer.

White trash owners? Really?

cpwill · Apr 2, 2015

Grim17 said:
If you have an opinion on the Indiana Religious Freedom law, this question is right up your alley. Rather than answering the following question from a legal perspective, or based on the Indiana law, just choose the answer you feel is right, or in your opinion is the best of the 4 choices:

Let's say a gay couple goes to a restaurant they've frequented in the past, because they're heard they are the best caterer in the area and are interested in hiring them to cater their upcoming wedding. After approaching the owner of the restaurant and requesting their services, the owner of the establishment politely informed them that they would gladly cater a birthday party, office party, or a host of other events or gatherings for them, but because her and her family are devout Muslims, they only cater weddings that conform with the tenets of their religious beliefs. The owner then recommends a few alternative caterers that might accommodate them.

So, how should the gay couple handle the situation in your opinion? Should they:

a) Respect the owners religious convictions even though they aren't happy about the situation, thank her for her time, and look for someone else to cater their wedding.

b) Voice their displeasure with the owner at being "discriminated against", label her a homophobe and vow to spread the word that her restaurant is not a gay-friendly establishment. Then proceed to search for another establishment to cater the wedding.

c) Inform the owner that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation and if she didn't reconsider and accept the job, they would file a discrimination lawsuit against her and the restaurant, seeking damages.

d) Both "b" and "c".

Bonus Question:

Which answer or answers best demonstrate tolerance and understanding, and which do not?

Unapproved Thought Does Not Deserve Tolerance, remember?

Obviously the graceful and tolerant answer for a pluralistic society is A.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

sawdust said:
I know. My wife is a caterer.

White trash owners? Really?

Those that are of a mind to discriminate due to someone's genetic traits... yeah, white trash, regardless of actual income, total white trash. I'd say southern white trash, but I've lived in Idaho too long to believe it a southern only thing anymore.

cpwill · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Because somehow these xian "victims" are under the impression that Islam is a protected religion at the moment and therefore are likely to have their religious rights considered.

They are. And we will know that they are ceasing to be when the pro-SSM movement starts targeting them as well.

sawdust · Apr 2, 2015

Redress said:
True story: when I was in the navy, I worked for a guy who was a black muslim. He had a barbeque event for all of us in the shop, and we each had to bring a food. I, being entirely ignorant of muslims, brought pork chops.

I had a big millwork company and we employed lots of Muslims, mostly from Croatia and Bosnia. Occasionally we'd buy pizza for the crew, which at one time totaled about a hundred. One Friday I came back to the shop for lunch on pizza day and there were tens of unopened pizza boxes in the shop. I asked my foreman what was going on. First day of Ramadan. My bad.

cpwill · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Those that are of a mind to discriminate due to someone's genetic traits...

Human sexuality is multivariate and malleable. Genetic determinism is trash science, and has been since the early days of Eugenics up through the folks today who claim that blacks are doomed to be permanent intellectual inferiors to whites.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

cpwill said:
They are. And we will know that they are ceasing to be when the pro-SSM movement starts targeting them as well.

Unless they don't discriminate and therefore aren't targeted. To date the only ranters I've read, heard, or seen regarding SSM in the USA are xians.

sawdust · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Those that are of a mind to discriminate due to someone's genetic traits... yeah, white trash, regardless of actual income, total white trash. I'd say southern white trash, but I've lived in Idaho too long to believe it a southern only thing anymore.

Racist.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

cpwill said:
Human sexuality is multivariate and malleable. Genetic determinism is trash science, and has been since the early days of Eugenics up through the folks today who claim that blacks are doomed to be permanent intellectual inferiors to whites.

Blow it out your ignorant piehole. Bless your heart.

Summerwind · Apr 2, 2015

sawdust said:
Racist.

Probably. And?

cpwill · Apr 2, 2015

sawdust said:
I had a big millwork company and we employed lots of Muslims, mostly from Croatia and Bosnia. Occasionally we'd buy pizza for the crew, which at one time totaled about a hundred. One Friday I came back to the shop for lunch on pizza day and there were tens of unopened pizza boxes in the shop. I asked my foreman what was going on. First day of Ramadan. My bad.

:shrug: nah - both of you did the right thing.

:lol: I remember during Ramadan deployed we always had to follow the same rules so as to be sensitive and not offensive and whatnot - no eating within view of Iraqi's, etc. But that didn't stop them from violating Ramadan. "Hey Mistah - Smoke?" "Smoke? Ramadan!" "**** Ramadan, Mistah - Smoke?" :lol:

Of course, that kind of statement in Fallujah today would probably get that guy beheaded :-/

cpwill · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Blow it out your ignorant piehole.

Ah, what a well reasoned response .

Bless your heart.

He does. Far more than I could ever deserve, He does.

sawdust · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Probably. And?

You're the one who has to be comfortable with it. Not my problem.

cpwill · Apr 2, 2015

Summerwind said:
Unless they don't discriminate and therefore aren't targeted.

They do, and they aren't. Apple CEO gets on television and rants about Indiana.... and has more stores in Tehran, where they execute gays, than he does in the entire state he's excoriating. But, er, you know, don't wanna be Islamaphobic.....

To date the only ranters I've read, heard, or seen regarding SSM in the USA are xians.

Then I would urge you to skip on down to your local Mosque and ask the Imam what the Koran and the Hadith teach about homosexuality .

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