Proudly Pro Life JP Freem
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CoffeeSaint said:What's your point? Have you ever met anyone who thinks that abortion is a happy, jolly, life-affirming procedure? I don't think it is. I think it's horrible. But I think there are many horrible things that society does, and that society MUST do, in order to protect members of the society, and in order to defend the ethos of the society. Part of our ethos is that individuals are sovereign when it comes to decisions concerning their own lives; I could show you thousands of horrible pictures of drug addicts, even the legal drug addicts we call alcoholics, and the horrible things those people do, and that still would not mean that alcohol consumption should be banned in our society.
Freedom is a part of our society. The preservation of the life of one individual -- or one hundred little tiny individuals that someone took pictures of -- at the cost of freedom, is not a part of our society, or at least it should not be. Life without liberty is no life at all.
I am saddened that those babies had to die for freedom. But they did. If your problem is with people who have unprotected sex, you need to argue against sex; if your problem is with my statement that individuals' lives are not more important than freedom, then you need to make this country hate freedom. Arguing against abortion proves only that you support the enslavement of millions of women; it does not make you a better person than I.
Proudly Pro Life JP Freem said:Again Accepting responsibility for ones actions is not enslaving women Who arethe people commited the act that led to pregnancy? Again there are enough ways out there to prevent pregnancy that would prevent your claim to enslaving women which is ridiculas. You can not abort AIDS, it makes you responsible for your actions, You can not abort STD's Again it makes you responsible for your actions. Are these diseaes enslaving women? Again Do you feel that abortion should be used as birth Control
CoffeeSaint said:I fail to see how choosing to have an abortion is avoiding your responsibility. If a woman is pregnant, her responsibility is to choose what she wants to do: to abort the child, to bear it to term and give it up for adoption, or to bear and raise the child herself. Making that decision, and following through with the decision she makes, is the end of her responsibility.
Again we are talking about killing another human being no one should have that right. Again if the couple does not want to be pregnant then there are ways to prevent it. Oh it is not only the wsomens resposibility to use birth control it is also the males responsibilty.
Men are out of this picture entirely; that is a whole different debate, and not one that should be mixed into this.
It takes 2 Make men pay child support all during the pregnancy this would reduce unwanted pregnancies.
There is no way to get out of pregnancy except abortion or birth. Once the zygote has implanted itself in the uterine lining, our current medicine cannot remove it and transplant it to another womb, human or mechanical, without killing the fetus, so surrogate motherhood is not an option for pregnant women. (I am counting RU-486 as a method of abotion here.) The three choices I listed are the only ones she has; to remove abortion mandates that a woman must bear the child to term. That is removing a woman's control over her own body, for the term of the pregnancy; that is slavery. What definition of slavery are you using that is different from mine?
More Slavery for not being responsible? The Couple made the choice it is to late (hopefully it will be)
As for your statement about diseases, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you comparing pregnancy to an STD? If so, couldn't we "cure" pregnancy the same way we cure gonorrhea?
Aids and other STD's are not cureable are these diseases enslaving women? You can not abort them. If abortion was ilegal you could not legally abort. What is the difference? At least you will not die. If you do not want to be a parent don't put yourself or your wife in that situation. Adoption is a very caring and loving alternative.
Again, I will not answer your question about abortion as birth control, as that implies approval or disapproval, and I feel the decision is not mine to make.
Really? What hurts? What was the big deal? That was just more fetal porn, nothing else. WhopetidoProudly Pro Life JP Freem said:I want people to see who is being aborted Check this site out if you do not have a weak stomach and your not afraid of the truth. The truth really does hurt.
vergiss said:Ugh, I bet they secretly whack off over that stuff.
Given his rants about AIDS and STDs, I think we can safely conclude that Proudly Pro Life JP Freem has a problem with sex. Good for him. However, the rest of the world isn't so prudish, so deal with it.
ngdawg said:Maybe more, but that is another story when I was not responsible
Doubt it-they were probably aborted. At least someone back then acted responsibly.
doughgirl said:Vergiss............
"Ugh, I bet they secretly whack off over that stuff."
God help you. What a pathetic statement. What a pathetic, unfeeling, monsterous statment to make. ARe you human? I've met some disqusting people in my life, but you are up there. I am sure you do not care as you probably don't care about much in your small life.
Youre worse than STeen. I never thougth I'd say it but you are.
I really do not know what to say.
Proudly Pro-life Jp............can you believe this?
You can't even talk to people like that. I don't know how far you can go on here or what you can say before your banned............but I am close.
What are the rules?
doughgirl said:Vergiss............
"Ugh, I bet they secretly whack off over that stuff."
God help you. What a pathetic statement. What a pathetic, unfeeling, monsterous statment to make. ARe you human? I've met some disqusting people in my life, but you are up there. I am sure you do not care as you probably don't care about much in your small life.
Youre worse than STeen. I never thougth I'd say it but you are.
I really do not know what to say.
Proudly Pro-life Jp............can you believe this?
You can't even talk to people like that. I don't know how far you can go on here or what you can say before your banned............but I am close.
What are the rules?
I think it is horrible. I think it is necessary. Why does this position make me a coward? I would also bet that most of the people on this forum see abortion exactly as I do: horrible, but necessary. But when I say it is horrible, you think that puts me on your side, and I am just too cowardly to say it. That is why most of your opponents treat the subject with indifference; they do not want to get into a screaming match with you.doughgirl said:Coffee says, “What's your point? Have you ever met anyone who thinks that abortion is a happy, jolly, life-affirming procedure? I don't think it is. I think it's horrible.”
Yes, I know people on here that think abortion is NOTHING. ITS NOTHING CAUSE IT AINT A CHILD. You think it’s horrible. Then speak out against it. Bottom line put your money where your mouth is. Stop trying to be so politically correct. It’s murder just say it if you have any guts.
I do not want children to die. I do not want to take life from others. I am a realist, and I see that it is necessary for some to die, so that others may live free. I am an American; it is part of my society. Perhaps that society is wrong, but I believe in it. But in no case do I WANT people to die.doughgirl said:“Freedom is a part of our society.”
So is LIFE. LIFE AND THE RIGHT TO LIVE IT….and so is protection from people like you who want to take it from others.
“The preservation of the life of one individual -- or one hundred little tiny individuals that someone took pictures of -- at the cost of freedom, is not a part of our society, or at least it should not be”
That statement makes me about want to gag.
“I am saddened that those babies had to die for freedom. But they did.’
Oh please. You have got to be kidding. No you don’t. You are not saddened at all. Won’t fall for that line of crap…………….
I answered this question. I want one, simple thing: if a woman chooses not to be pregnant, she needs to be able to go to a doctor, pay him whatever requisite fees, etc., and walk out of the office/hospital/clinic not pregnant. If it were possible for that to happen and the child to live, I would ban abortion in a heartbeat, except in a medical crisis. If it is not possible for the child to live, and the mother to stop being pregnant, then I choose the mother.doughgirl said:“Arguing against abortion proves only that you support the enslavement of millions of women; it does not make you a better person than I.”
Go have another cup…………How you sleep at night I’ll never know.
One question for ya………………Are you for abortion at 8 months?
Can't wait to her this answer.
Well, prolifers sure seem to get off on that stuff. They are much more enamored and fascinated with fetal porn than prochoice who just see medical procedures.doughgirl said:Vergiss............
"Ugh, I bet they secretly whack off over that stuff."
God help you. What a pathetic statement. What a pathetic, unfeeling, monsterous statment to make. ARe you human? I've met some disqusting people in my life, but you are up there. I am sure you do not care as you probably don't care about much in your small life.
Wow, does that mean that vergiss has a pointed tail and ears and horns? Oh, no, that was me, so what does Vergiss show if it is even worse?Youre worse than STeen. I never thougth I'd say it but you are.
Well, if people don't buy your emotional histrionics and that is ALL you got, then yes I can see you have run out of tricks.I really do not know what to say.
Probably not. Though he is relying a little bit less on PURE emotion for the arguments, so perhaps he can get beyond it.Proudly Pro-life Jp............can you believe this?
Well, if all you have is emotional fervor and no facts, then yes you can't talk to us. I pointed that out to you months ago.You can't even talk to people like that.
GEEZZ, more histrionics.I don't know how far you can go on here or what you can say before your banned............but I am close.
What are the rules?
vergiss said:Ugh, I bet they secretly whack off over that stuff.
Given his rants about AIDS and STDs, I think we can safely conclude that Proudly Pro Life JP Freem has a problem with sex. Good for him. However, the rest of the world isn't so prudish, so deal with it.
vergiss said:Aww, diddums. :roll: You're forgetting that you're the one who brutally and unfeelingly "murdered" her own baby, not me.
By "they" I was talking about the people who invent those things, but whatever you want to have a hissy fit over. Now go vent your guilt on a 15-year-old mother or someone who you can actually frighten.
<Checking pulse> Hmm, nope, it is still there.doughgirl said:And Steen I wouldn’t expect you to understand the pictures………because abortion pictures don’t do anything to those without a heart, those without emotions.
I have never said, nor will I ever say, that abortion is nothing. I have said it is sometimes necessary, and so it is. I have also never said that it is not killing; it is killing, and I recognize that fact. That is not "fine." I am not bragging; you told me to put my money where my mouth is, and I have done so. I think abortion is sad; therefore, I have never caused one to happen. My actions have suited my beliefs.doughgirl said:Coffee says, “On a personal note, I have put my money where my mouth is: I have fathered NO children. NO woman has had to get an abortion because of me, and I can say that absolutely.”
Thank God you have not. But then why are you proud of this fact? You said abortion is fine, that it doesn’t kill and it’s not human……….why brag if you think abortion is nothing?
I have just stated, in very simple terms, exactly how I feel about it. Please do not tell me that I am lying. I do not lie. If yu feel I have contradicted myself, please tell me which post contradicts this statement, and I will explain it; it is entirely possible I have not been clear in the past. This, however, is quite clear: I do not want children to die.doughgirl said:Coffee says “I do not want children to die. I do not want to take life from others. I am a realist, and I see that it is necessary for some to die, so that others may live free.”
Sure you do.. you stated it so in your posts. You are taking the life away from a 9 month old unborn who you say could be aborted. Necessary to die for the betterment of society?
No. I would be for taking all of the money that supports efforts to ban abortion, and putting it into research to cure AIDS.doughgirl said:Coffee would you be for killing all those who contract AIDS/HIV to stop the spread of the disease? To free up those who do not have the disease?
doughgirl said:Coffee says, “So: If the fetus is not viable, I accept abortion as necessary.
If the fetus is viable, it should be removed from the mother, presumably by Caesarian section, though I will make no medical recommendations, not being a doctor.”
You are confused by your own statements. Viability? You stated in a previous post that you think if a woman wants to have an abortion at 9 months its ok to kill the child to do it. What does viability have to do with anything? You are for abortion at any time, any reason.
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