A little bird told me: Abortion is wrong

[Lursa]

Can you explain what is wrong with homicide without feelings, beliefs or appeals to emotions that doesn't compare with abortion? Quite honestly, even the argument of bodily autonomy requires belief and appeal to emotion, not to mention feelings. For the most part, the problem with the anti-choice crowd is that they simply aren't consistent in applying their reasons to all the common situations, instead of cherry picking what it applies to.

"Wrong" is a moral concept. Subjective. Are you arguing to not recognize any moral values in our society and the laws we choose? Or maybe you can explain what morality is based on, since you specify "not feelings, beliefs, appeals to emotions." Then we can focus in further on what and why, specifically, we do recognize as moral in our society.

 

[maquiscat]

"Wrong" is a moral concept. Subjective. Are you arguing to not recognize any moral values in our society and the laws we choose? Or maybe you can explain what morality is based on, since you specify "not feelings, beliefs, appeals to emotions." Then we can focus in further on what and why, specifically, we do recognize as moral in our society.

That's rather my point. All of the arguments both pro and con are based entirely on belief and emotion. So it becomes problematic to ask the anti-choice for an argument free of belief and emotion, when we can't do it ourselves.

 

[Lursa]

That's rather my point. All of the arguments both pro and con are based entirely on belief and emotion. So it becomes problematic to ask the anti-choice for an argument free of belief and emotion, when we can't do it ourselves.

That goes for any laws, doesnt it? Why is it different for abortion? That's a legal argument just like anything else that we consider laws for. The law is clear, based on our Const and how it's been interpreted by SCOTUS, bench after bench. How do you make it less "emotional or feelings based"?

 

[Gordy327]

That's rather my point. All of the arguments both pro and con are based entirely on belief and emotion. So it becomes problematic to ask the anti-choice for an argument free of belief and emotion, when we can't do it ourselves.

Speak for yourself. I've made arguments based on law and pragmatism. Belief or emotional does not enter the equation.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Don’t want an abortion? Don’t have one.

Don’t want pineapple on your pizza? Don’t order it.


What other people decide is none of your business.

THAT is NOT the point. Some man has the right to tell you what to do with your body, and women are too stupid to know what is "right" or wrong.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Why should I have any say so over life and death regarding pregnancy for some Republican family in Omaha?

 

[Lursa]

Why should I have any say so over life and death regarding pregnancy for some Republican family in Omaha?

Because some people believe it's "murdering a baby."

And that's why the right smugly claiming that it's a states' rights issue is just bullshit. Since when is "murdering babies" a state issue? If that's what they truly believe, then no way would they accept Dobbs. Is it murder or not?

Dobbs enables any state to allow women/their doctors to kill the unborn with no due process. Solid proof that the Const and federal govt dont recognize any rights for the unborn or as persons.

 

[reinaert]

Who cares? A woman has full autonomy, or she's a second class citizen, and fetus cult's notion of personhood should have **** all to do with it.

 

[Lursa]

Who cares? A woman has full autonomy, or she's a second class citizen, and fetus cult's notion of personhood should have **** all to do with it.

Dobbs recognized the latter part, but refused to recognize the first part.

No right is absolute but when balanced against something with no rights and no legal status...that bodily autonomy should be.

 

[SoccerCoach]

I thought this seemed familiar. That's at least 4 of us that are both here and on PF

There is a question of when the learning is taking place during the gestation period. If we consider when most abortions take place in humans, there is nothing developed for learning to take place with. When we consider that part of gestation in which learning could conceivably take place, the overwhelming majority of abortions are about the risk of health or life of the women. The idea of learning, in and of itself, is a red herring to the issue.

Learning begins the moment of birth. Infants are born with a functioning limbic system which creates memory and emotion. Learning depends on memory

 

[maquiscat]

Learning begins the moment of birth. Infants are born with a functioning limbic system which creates memory and emotion. Learning depends on memory

Citation, please. And before you try to use the "do your own homework" line, it's your assertion, and a positive one a that, so your responsibility to support it. But to my knowledge, any type of memory that might be is not the same as what the OP is talking about.