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94-year-old upset by TSA pat down


easy driving (a personally own vehical into FREE LAND) isnt a said service you are choosing to participate where you know you need searched to do so mostly on private, commercial or government planes and something regulated by the FAA which controls and regulates commercial and government airspace.

like I said not even close to the same :shurg:


try to drive you car onto the white house lawn though? if they want to search it to let you enter they can or you dont get to enter.

Hell try to drive your car into the secured parameter at my work, you have to subject yourself to a search or not gain access and even the access you gain is limited. ALL LEGAL :shrug:
 

well not technically forced is no force at all as far as the law is concerned.
law doesnt care about your opinions above

again, note, im not saying your reason above arent logical to cause one to be "UPSET" or not "like" the TSA but that doesnt make them illegal
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sorry about the ruin part. Sincerely. I thought this was in the Basement too. Dude, twice now.

Anyway... I am not going to get into it here with you. I'll jsut stick to the Basement thread.
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no apologies needed, stick to whatever thread you want, just no anytime you claim the 4th is violated you will still be wrong unless you can show me proof in legality.
 
Centrist77 said:
no apologies needed, stick to whatever thread you want, just no anytime you claim the 4th is violated you will still be wrong unless you can show me proof in legality.
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Proof located in the Basement... don't get too dirty now.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Proof located in the Basement... don't get too dirty now.
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actually there is done I already responded and all you gave me is proof of your opinion, proof of what the 4th IS and proof of what is legal or not legal is there is force and no consent.

These things do nothing to show that TSA policy is being violated using legality :shrug:
 

No, I gave you the 4th itself and nothing about force. It is about warrants and other stuff that you apparently aren't willing to look at honestly. Whatever... look at what I actually am showing you, the 1973 law and the Amendment itself and its words, or I will bid you good day.
 

the 4th its self supports me LMAO
warrants/1973 law dont matter on bit since theres no force and consent

look at reality and legality and maybe youll see that you are 100% wrong.
no force in legality + consent in legality = ) violation of the 4th in legality

so bid good day if you like you have still showed nothing :shrug:
 

The government regulates the roads. There are signs all over where they tell you what you can and can not do.

Hell try to drive your car into the secured parameter at my work, you have to subject yourself to a search or not gain access and even the access you gain is limited. ALL LEGAL :shrug:
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Again, I would never argue that not legal. Again, private vs government.

If I go to a baseball game the owners have a right to tell me I can not hold up a sign. The government has no right to do that. So let's get off comparing what private individuals can do and what the government can do.

The government can not search me in order to drive my car. What magically changes that allows them to search me to fly?
 

thew government does not regulate the roads like FAA regulates airspace, sorry nice try

ball park example, meaningless and non-parallel

and I already explained to you the HUGE and VAST difference between your car and flying :shurg"

ill post it again:


if you are not trying to argue legality, like you said, then theres nothing to debate, legality is all that matters in this case unfortunately
 
Centrist77 said:
if you are not trying to argue legality, like you said, then theres nothing to debate, legality is all that matters in this case unfortunately
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No, I stated that the only difference is someone has deemed one legal but not the other. I'm asking why? There must be a compelling reason. I do not see it.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am getting mentally prepared to see my daughters (6,7 years of age) be frisked in their private area by some high-school drop out all in the name of homeland security... and to see their rights of being secure violated as well.
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We have not brought our daughters to see their grandmother and great-grandfather in the US since this madness started largely because of this madness. We may just go in through Canada on the land border next time we do make a visit... haven't decided yet...
 

It is a violation of her 4th amendment rights against unreasonable searches. The government has no business requiring you fork over your 4th amendment rights in exchange for travel. And no you do not give up your constitutional rights in exchange for travel. And before you say something retarded like "you consent to be be stripped searched and groped when you buy a ticket" you have yet to provide any proof of that in any discussion regarding the TSA unconstitutional searches.
 
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Where does it say you agree to this when you buy a ticket? Is it on the ticket stub, is there there a legally binding contract that says you consent to all searches no matter invasive they are?
 
jamesrage said:
Where does it say you agree to this when you buy a ticket? Is it on the ticket stub, is there there a legally binding contract that says you consent to all searches no matter invasive they are?
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IMO they won't be able to prove it - choice or lack thereof, in my opinion of course, has jack **** to do with government interference in private business - and a contract of carriage would not have anything on it since the checkpoints are operated by the federal govt. and not the airliners.
 

thanks for your opinion but the law simply doesnt care about it and your opinion has no impact on legality, the ONLY thing that matters.

all you have to do is offer ONE thing dealing with law and legality, thats it ONE :shrug: LMAO
 
1Perry said:
No, I stated that the only difference is someone has deemed one legal but not the other. I'm asking why? There must be a compelling reason. I do not see it.
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if you can see the huge, vast and obvious difference I cant help you
 
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1Perry said:
Well, that is what I asked for. Please do.
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I know what you asked for and I told you in post 26 and then repeated it in post 34. If you can read those two posts and honestly cant see the huge and obvious difference I can help you. You are either being dishonest with your self or you will never see a difference :shrug:
 

No, what you did in those posts was confuse private and public. Again, nobody is argueing that a private enterprise can't set whatever rules they want for you (within reason still) to use their facilities.

We are not discussing private enterprises. We are discussing what the government can do. They can not search you simply because you are about to enter your car. Please tell me what changes just because you are going to enter an airplane.
 

nice try but I did no such thing LMAO
YOU are asking how they are different and then giving yourself the answer and just cant see that LMAO

your question was how is driving a car different from flying on a plane different, I clearly answered that, they are not even remotely similar LOL

Like I said if you cant see the clear differences between the two you are either dishonest or will never see the clear difference :shrug:
 
Centrist77 said:
nice try but I did no such thing LMAO
YOU are asking how they are different and then giving yourself the answer and just cant see that LMAO
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I guess it wasn't you that tried to use the arguement......

Hell try to drive your car into the secured parameter at my work, you have to subject yourself to a search or not gain access and even the access you gain is limited. ALL LEGAL
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I guess it was just someone that looks like you.

your question was how is driving a car different from flying on a plane different, I clearly answered that, they are not even remotely similar LOL
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You said we agreed to it. It was replied back asking where we agreed to it? Some comply because they are forced to but I can't use the arguement that the government can randomly search your car just because they want to and by you using the roadway, you've agreed to it. It would get tossed in a second.

Like I said if you cant see the clear differences between the two you are either dishonest or will never see the clear difference :shrug:
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain the difference. You haven't.
 

I clearly did you just arent accepting it but that doesnt change the facts. Its clear they are different, you just dont like that they are but that doesn't bother me LMAO

I didnt confuse anything you just dont understand the clear and obvious difference, you are talking apples and oranges anybody objective and honest can see that :shrug:

nobody smart and object thinks flying is equal to driving

all you have to do is look at the facts in those two posts that makes them hugely different
 
Just because you continue to state that there are clear differences without providing a valid one, does not mean there are clear differences.

Please, I've asked. Explain these differences for us.
 
1Perry said:
Just because you continue to state that there are clear differences without providing a valid one, does not mean there are clear differences.

Please, I've asked. Explain these differences for us.
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LMAO who is US?

and they are already explained, just because you dont see them doesnt make them disappear, they still exist whether you see them or not. Like I said nobody honest and smart thinks flying a plan and driving are the same thing LMAO. Facts are funny like that, they dont need you to agree with them to be facts, they just are :shrug:

Ill re-post the few FACTS I listed that are CLEARLY VALID lol

heres a question for you that might help you understand, is your front lawn the same as the white house front lawn?

after you come up with that answer thats how different flying and driving your own car are.
 
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Centrist77 said:
LMAO who is US?
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I'd guess those who say that this is pretty shaky as far as our rights go. Those who see no need in frisking 6 year old kids.



Ill repost the few FACTS I listed that are CLEALRY VALID lol
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Just because I know I'll have to be searched doesn't mean it's O.K. This is my point. More and more are coming to the conclusion tha tit isn't. Watch, things are going to change.

heres a question for you that might help you understand, is your front lawn the same as the white house front lawn?
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This is a stupid avenue to take because we know we grant special protections to our president. Nobody else can just shoot someone for walking onto their lawn.

after you come up with that answer thats how different flying and driving your own care are.
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No it isn't. Just because the secret service can shoot me for sneaking onto the White House lawn doesn't mean I can have my car searched for no cause or give a reason why they can search me for simply picking air travel over road travel.
 
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