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9/11 Conspiracy Group Could Force Its Way Onto Ballot

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For years, 9/11 conspiracy theorists have been marginalized if not utterly ignored, producing blog posts and online films that gain little traction with the general public.

But a small nonprofit dedicated to uncovering the “truth” behind the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings is making a big push to get its issue in front of millions of voters. The group has gathered tens of thousands of petition signatures and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in an effort to force the city to investigate the destruction of 7 World Trade Center during the attack 13 years ago.

The group, NYC Coalition for Accountability Now, is following the steps to place a referendum on the ballot in November that would require the city’s Department of Buildings to investigate the collapse of any building taller than 20-stories dating back to 9/11, and in the future, but not including the Twin Towers. So far, only 7 WTC fits that description.

The group is supported by the 9/11 truth movement, a loose coalition of conspiracy theorists who believe the federal government was involved in the attacks. But the group's executive director, Ted Walter, insists his organization is a separate entity that is exclusively focused on uncovering the causes behind 7 WTC’s destruction and the prevention of future building collapses.

"The 9/11 truth movement by and large supports what we’re doing because if we’re successful it will lead to an investigation of Building 7’s collapse," he said. "We’re not directly affiliated with them."

The group, which now bills itself as the Highrise Safety Initiative, has previously attempted a ballot initiative and failed. In 2009, the city successfully challenged in court an attempt to include a referendum on the ballot calling for an investigation into 7 WTC’s collapse. Mr. Walter says he has learned from past mistakes: This time, they have raised more money—over $190,000—which they have used to hire a media consultant (Andrew Moesel of Sheinkopf Communications), an election lawyer (Leo Glickman of Stoll, Glickman & Bellina) and a petition-gathering consultant (the BrownMillerGroup).

The Highrise Safety Initiative has gathered more than 53,000 signatures, far beyond the requisite 30,000, which it will present to the City Council July 3. Assuming the council declines to act on the proposal—spokesmen for the council and Mayor Bill de Blasio declined to comment—the group would then gather an additional 30,000 signatures to submit in September to force its initiative onto the ballot. Approval by a majority of those who vote on the question would compel the city to act on its instructions.

Mr. Walter, who claims to represent dozens of 9/11 family members as well as architects and engineers who have doubts about the government’s official statements on the causes of the collapse, said there has never been a proper investigation into 7 WTC.

To be sure, both the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Institute of Standards and Technology have issued reports on 7 WTC, and both determined that fire, falling debris and faulty sprinkler systems were responsible for the collapse. NIST noted that it was the only known instance of a high-rise building being brought down by fire.

Mr. Walter said he is "unsatisfied" with NIST’s report, arguing that important forensic evidence was destroyed during the cleanup that prevented the agency from making a complete report. He also claims that NIST refused to release its modeling data to allow independent engineers to replicate the study.

"We’re just looking for an impartial investigation," he said.

A spokesman for NIST said via email that since completing its study in 2008 into the collapse of 1, 2 and 7 WTC "there has been no new evidence presented that would change our findings and conclusions, and therefore, nothing new that we can contribute to the discussion. NIST firmly stands behind its investigation results."

Asked whether he buys into the controversial belief that the federal government was responsible for the building’s collapse, Mr. Walter demurred.

"I don’t know," he said. "I reserve judgment on that type of question until we really establish what in my view would be a strong scientific explanation for the collapse of the building."

(In an online interview in 2010, though, he said the "alleged hijackers did not have the expertise to pilot the planes" and that he believed the buildings were purposely “demolished.” He told TheFasterTimes.com: "A true investigation with full subpoena power would shatter the official story and lead to some accountability, though it will probably be impossible to identify everyone who was a part of the conspiracy.")

The 9/11 truth movement has been criticized for its ties to anti-Semitism. The Anti-Defamation League in particular has blasted members of the movement who have speculated about Zionist involvement in the attacks.

A spokesman for the ADL said the Highrise Safety Initiative did not appear to reflect anti-Semitic beliefs and he doubted it would necessarily "open the floodgates" to such rhetoric. "While it’s ostensibly dealing with building codes and safety now, if it does get some traction, then at that point we will definitely be monitoring and looking to see whether or not the more anti-Semitic elements of this conspiracy try to use it for their benefit in some way," he said.

Mr. Moesel, who works for Hank Sheinkopf, a prominent Jewish political strategist, dismissed those concerns.

“The Highrise Safety Initiative is run by a professional group of people that have legitimate safety concerns about New York City buildings,” he said. “We have no problem making that case to voters, who will ultimately be the ones who decide it on the merits.”

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/articl...spiracy-group-could-force-its-way-onto-ballot

High-Rise Safety Initiative
 
For years, 9/11 conspiracy theorists have been marginalized if not utterly ignored, producing blog posts and online films that gain little traction with the general public. <snipped ridiculous prattle>

I see NYCCAN type fail again. (they tried this nonsense some time ago)....

9/11 Truth.... Failing since 2001.....
 
A couple of notes about the article exposing the bias of the author.

a small nonprofit dedicated to uncovering the “truth” behind the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings is making a big push to get its issue in front of millions of voters

The word truth derisively appears in quotes, insinuating that the truth about the collapses is fully known.

The 9/11 truth movement has been criticized for its ties to anti-Semitism.

The author just had to throw in the above non sequitur in an attempt to discredit everyone who questions/contradicts the official narrative and did not make any statement about anti-Semites who fully endorse the 9/11 narrative.
 

the video lies by omission and by simply speaking falsehoods.

1. The building was hit by debris from another building and a huge chunk was simply gone.
2. There were more than scattered fires.
3. It didn't look like an implosion at all except that gravity brought it to the earth.

More nonsense and anyone sending money to this bunch of lunatics is someone PT Barnum would have loved.
 
the video lies by omission and by simply speaking falsehoods.

1. The building was hit by debris from another building and a huge chunk was simply gone.
2. There were more than scattered fires.
3. It didn't look like an implosion at all except that gravity brought it to the earth.

More nonsense and anyone sending money to this bunch of lunatics is someone PT Barnum would have loved.

So then don't worry about this, you have nothing to fear. It sounds like you're terrified about it.
 
So then don't worry about this, you have nothing to fear. It sounds like you're terrified about it.

Terrified about WHAT exactly? Another fail by "9/11 Truth"? They have a habit of failing since 2001.....

It is amazing that you are crowing about a ballot initiative in New York CITY. But, hey, rather than spend the AE911TRUTH money on anything resembling an engineering exercise, you want PUBLIC money to fund ANOTHER government investigation... After you rejected the findings of all the other government investigations.....

Amazing.
 
So then don't worry about this, you have nothing to fear. It sounds like you're terrified about it.

so pointing out lies means I am terrified? Wow that is just nuts.
 
Terrified about WHAT exactly? Another fail by "9/11 Truth"? They have a habit of failing since 2001.....

It is amazing that you are crowing about a ballot initiative in New York CITY. But, hey, rather than spend the AE911TRUTH money on anything resembling an engineering exercise, you want PUBLIC money to fund ANOTHER government investigation... After you rejected the findings of all the other government investigations.....

Amazing.

Terrified of the truth, that it has been discovered by more and more people every day.

So terrified and frustrated that they must often resort to posting replies in the largest available font. :lol:
 
Terrified of the truth, that it has been discovered by more and more people every day.

So terrified and frustrated that they must often resort to posting replies in the largest available font. :lol:

Discovered by more and more people every day? How many engineers and fire professionals?

This failed in 2009, I predict it will fail in 2014.

Just as 9/11 Truth has failed since 2001.

Why?

They have NOTHING. No intelligent counter-theory. No evidence. No facts.

A movement that is built on incredulity and little else.
 
Here's some stuff in case there are any viewers who are new to the issue.

This video is a pretty good summary of all the important inside job proof.

September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL)
September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL) - YouTube

The only important piece of proof the above video doesn't deal with is the fact that the craft that hit the Pentagon was too short to be a 757.

Flight 77 3d sim test
(5th picture from top)


Here's some more stuff.

Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org
Tom Sullivan - Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org - YouTube

The Death of Controlled Demolition Expert Danny Jowenko after Speaking about 9/11 WTC 7 Building 7
The Death of Controlled Demolition Expert Danny Jowenko after Speaking about 9/11 WTC 7 Building 7 - YouTube

ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH (full unreleased version)
ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH (full unreleased version) - YouTube

Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org
Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org - YouTube


These video does a good job of explaining the government's probable motives for planning and carrying out the 9/11 attacks.
9/11 False Flag Conspiracy - Finally Solved (Names, Connections, Motives) - YouTube
The New American Century - Watch Free Documentary Online


If people watch the above and experience cognitive dissonance and go into denial, they should watch this video.

Why Can't They See The Truth? Psychologists Help 9 11 Truth Deniers
Why Can't They See The Truth? Psychologists Help 9 11 Truth Deniers - YouTube

That won't sway these posters though.
Disinformation Campaign Exposure: Confessions of a Paid Disinformation “Poster” « The Culture of Awareness
Articles about ombudsmen


If the YouTube links don't work, do YouTube searches on the titles.
 
The author just had to throw in the above non sequitur in an attempt to discredit everyone who questions/contradicts the official narrative and did not make any statement about anti-Semites who fully endorse the 9/11 narrative.


It's clearly a reference to known links between AE911T and anti-Semitic groups.
 
Terrified of the truth, that it has been discovered by more and more people every day.

So terrified and frustrated that they must often resort to posting replies in the largest available font. :lol:

Another apt description of truthers HD
 
67,192 Signatures Submitted

We are proud to announce that earlier today we submitted over 67,000 signatures to the City of New York – 37,000 more than the requisite number for a charter amendment to be submitted to voters at this November’s election. If passed by voters on November 4th, it would require to the City’s Department of Buildings to investigate the collapse of WTC 7 and any future high-rise collapses. We would like to extend our deepest gratitude to everyone who contributed blood, sweat, tears and hard-earned dollars toward this remarkable achievement. Together we did it!

What Lies Ahead

Now that we’ve submitted the petition, the next step is to gather an additional 33,000 signatures (the requisite number is 15,000) to submit on September 4th, thereby forcing the initiative onto the ballot in the event that the City Council fails to take action or votes against including it on the ballot. Meanwhile, the City will have 30 days to review the petition and certify whether it contains 30,000 valid signatures and complies with all the requirements of the law. As stated before, the petition was carefully crafted by top election attorneys to withstand a legal challenge. If the City challenges the petition, we are confident of overcoming that challenge in court. Should a lawsuit be necessary, it will likely run into late August or September, at which time we will know once and for all if we are on the ballot.

One Last Push

To gather the additional 33,000 signatures, we now need to raise the final $60,000 of our $250,000 fundraising goal – and quickly. September 4th is the deadline to submit the second petition; however, we hope to finish petitioning by the end of July to avoid incurring additional costs. Therefore, our goal is to raise the final $60,000 by July 20th.

If you have not yet contributed, or if you are in a position to contribute again, please consider making a contribution on our Donate page.

Once again, thank you to everyone who has contributed and helped spread the word. It is because of your commitment and determination that we have made it this far.

67,192 Signatures Submitted!!! – High-Rise Safety Initiative
 
67,192 Signatures Submitted

We are proud to announce that earlier today we submitted over 67,000 signatures to the City of New York – 37,000 more than the requisite number for a charter amendment to be submitted to voters at this November’s election. If passed by voters on November 4th, it would require to the City’s Department of Buildings to investigate the collapse of WTC 7 and any future high-rise collapses. We would like to extend our deepest gratitude to everyone who contributed blood, sweat, tears and hard-earned dollars toward this remarkable achievement. Together we did it!

What Lies Ahead

Now that we’ve submitted the petition, the next step is to gather an additional 33,000 signatures (the requisite number is 15,000) to submit on September 4th, thereby forcing the initiative onto the ballot in the event that the City Council fails to take action or votes against including it on the ballot. Meanwhile, the City will have 30 days to review the petition and certify whether it contains 30,000 valid signatures and complies with all the requirements of the law. As stated before, the petition was carefully crafted by top election attorneys to withstand a legal challenge. If the City challenges the petition, we are confident of overcoming that challenge in court. Should a lawsuit be necessary, it will likely run into late August or September, at which time we will know once and for all if we are on the ballot.

One Last Push

To gather the additional 33,000 signatures, we now need to raise the final $60,000 of our $250,000 fundraising goal – and quickly. September 4th is the deadline to submit the second petition; however, we hope to finish petitioning by the end of July to avoid incurring additional costs. Therefore, our goal is to raise the final $60,000 by July 20th.

If you have not yet contributed, or if you are in a position to contribute again, please consider making a contribution on our Donate page.

Once again, thank you to everyone who has contributed and helped spread the word. It is because of your commitment and determination that we have made it this far.

67,192 Signatures Submitted!!! – High-Rise Safety Initiative

Solliciting money now?
 
Solliciting money now?

I find the title of the petition to be misleading.

The question should be asked , if 9/11 had not happened would the group still be concerned?
 
I find the title of the petition to be misleading.

What would you recommend? "Wackos actually want WTC7 investigated"?

The question should be asked , if 9/11 had not happened would the group still be concerned?

Nope. Goes to show 9/11 is still a massive concern for many people. They just don't want to bend over like some posters here.
 
What would you recommend? "Wackos actually want WTC7 investigated"?



Nope. Goes to show 9/11 is still a massive concern for many people. They just don't want to bend over like some posters here.

Insults to posters get you nowhere Bob.

Why not have a petition titled 9/11 wtc1,2.7 collapse investigation.

Side note.
Have I called you a "wacko"?

Your disrespect for those who disagree or question motives of some is just tiresome.

noted. you gave no opinion to the question I asked.
 
Insults to posters get you nowhere Bob.

So when some posters insult me where does that get them? I haven't read a post from you criticizing those who insult me regularly. Why is that?

Why not have a petition titled 9/11 wtc1,2.7 collapse investigation.

Ok, feel free to start one.

Have I called you a "wacko"?

I never said you did.

Your disrespect for those who disagree or question motives of some is just tiresome.
Ok, skip my posts then. I have no respect for fake posters.

But to play your game compare the number of signers to the petition to the population of the US.

What game? The petition is only for NYC residents, not for the US. What is the purpose of a comparison? Why not compare the number of signers to everyone on the planet? What game are you playing?

massive concern there Bob.

That's what I said. Not for you I assume, so it's not your concern.
 
Bob.
I am not responsible for what others do. (actually, if you check I have called to others that insults does nothing), you just choose to ignore the fact.

I responded to your post that you quoted from my post.

Why do you call me a "fake poster"? Don't bother to answer. It is clear you do not want to discuss.

Yep, we can be done if you choose.

Please ignore any future post by me. If you do quote or address what I post, I may respond. So to end this. Just bypass what I post. Fine with me.
That will not stop me from reponding to others who may oppose your views.
 
Insults to posters get you nowhere Bob.

Why not have a petition titled 9/11 wtc1,2.7 collapse investigation.

Side note.
Have I called you a "wacko"?

Your disrespect for those who disagree or question motives of some is just tiresome.

noted. you gave no opinion to the question I asked.

That was not an insult. A statement of the truth is never an insult. It is often painful to consider, but it's not an insult.
 
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