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5 Reasons Why I Reject The Doctrine of The Trinity!!

Daisy

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It is essential that we know God. Eternal life is to know God and His Messiah, Jesus. I have 5 Biblical reasons that I reject the doctrine of man, the trinity.

Bottom line...what fruitage has the trinity produced down through the ages? Even now...

 
The cross of Christ utterly destroys the doctrine of the trinity. Their Christ is a divine person, therefore incapable of death, thus the need to divide Christ into two natures, similarly how they divide God into three persons. It's the ultimate "being caught cheating in a shell game" tactic. Then throw it all up in the air by claiming it's a "mystery", lol.

"God is 3 persons and Christ has two natures"......what bible are they reading?


(1Co 15:15) Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.


How was their Jesus dead?.....still awaiting for an honest answer.
 
redbeer said:
The cross of Christ utterly destroys the doctrine of the trinity. Their Christ is a divine person, therefore incapable of death, thus the need to divide Christ into two natures, similarly how they divide God into three persons. It's the ultimate "being caught cheating in a shell game" tactic. Then throw it all up in the air by claiming it's a "mystery", lol.

"God is 3 persons and Christ has two natures"......what bible are they reading?


(1Co 15:15) Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.


How was their Jesus dead?.....still awaiting for an honest answer.
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My understanding of the meaning of divine is different, not necessariyl immortal...it can also pertain to being from God/belonging to God, which Jesus is, don't cha think? What Paul said about Jesus in Colossians 2:9 makes it sound so...

"because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily."

it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily: The context shows that having this “divine quality” does not make Jesus Christ equal to God Almighty, as some claim. In the preceding chapter, Paul states: “God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him,” that is, in Christ. (Col 1:19) So the Father is the one who caused Christ to have “the fullness of the divine quality.” At Col 1:15, Paul says that Jesus “is the image of the invisible God,” not God himself. Col 1:19-22 describes the reconciliation that God brings about through Christ, and Col 2:12 shows that God raised him from the dead. Furthermore, Paul later says that “Christ is seated at the right hand of God.” (Col 3:1) These statements show that possession of this “fullness” does not make Jesus Christ identical with God, the Almighty.

of the divine quality: Or “of the divinity.” The “divine quality” includes all the excelling qualities of Jesus’ heavenly Father and God, and these also dwell in Christ. The Greek word (the·oʹtes), which occurs only here in the Christian Greek Scriptures, is derived from the Greek word for “god,” the·osʹ, but is different in meaning. Many lexicons give such definitions as “divine character; divine nature; divinity.” The term was used by ancient Greek writers to describe a quality or condition that could be obtained or lost as a result of one’s behavior. Obviously, then, such a term was applied to created beings and not exclusively to the almighty and eternal God, Jehovah. So there is solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes to refer to a divine quality rather than to God himself.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/51/2#s=9&study=discover&v=51:2:9
 
Daisy said:
My understanding of the meaning of divine is different, not necessariyl immortal...it can also pertain to being from God/belonging to God, which Jesus is, don't cha think? What Paul said about Jesus in Colossians 2:9 makes it sound so...

"because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily."

it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily: The context shows that having this “divine quality” does not make Jesus Christ equal to God Almighty, as some claim. In the preceding chapter, Paul states: “God was pleased to have all fullness to dwell in him,” that is, in Christ. (Col 1:19) So the Father is the one who caused Christ to have “the fullness of the divine quality.” At Col 1:15, Paul says that Jesus “is the image of the invisible God,” not God himself. Col 1:19-22 describes the reconciliation that God brings about through Christ, and Col 2:12 shows that God raised him from the dead. Furthermore, Paul later says that “Christ is seated at the right hand of God.” (Col 3:1) These statements show that possession of this “fullness” does not make Jesus Christ identical with God, the Almighty.

of the divine quality: Or “of the divinity.” The “divine quality” includes all the excelling qualities of Jesus’ heavenly Father and God, and these also dwell in Christ. The Greek word (the·oʹtes), which occurs only here in the Christian Greek Scriptures, is derived from the Greek word for “god,” the·osʹ, but is different in meaning. Many lexicons give such definitions as “divine character; divine nature; divinity.” The term was used by ancient Greek writers to describe a quality or condition that could be obtained or lost as a result of one’s behavior. Obviously, then, such a term was applied to created beings and not exclusively to the almighty and eternal God, Jehovah. So there is solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes to refer to a divine quality rather than to God himself.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/51/2#s=9&study=discover&v=51:2:9
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Yes, I understand all of that, but it's the trinitarian belief that Jesus is fully God, being fully divine how did he die or do they even believe Jesus died, idk. Or was it just a nature and not the person of Christ who died......it's very strange and the copout stating, "it's a mystery" doesn't cut it, imo.

There can be no other answer to the question, "Did the person of Christ die?"......it is either a 'yes' or 'no' question which must be answered. That's the problem in raising up a Godman into their theology. This question becomes paramount.
 
redbeer said:
Yes, I understand all of that, but it's the trinitarian belief that Jesus is fully God, being fully divine how did he die or do they even believe Jesus died, idk. Or was it just a nature and not the person of Christ who died......it's very strange and the copout stating, "it's a mystery" doesn't cut it, imo.

There can be no other answer to the question, "Did the person of Christ die?"......it is either a 'yes' or 'no' question which must be answered. That's the problem in raising up a Godman into their theology. This question becomes paramount.
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Oh, ok...gotcha...I agree...
 
Lycanthrope said:
What is the place/power of the Holy Ghost in the JW cosmology?
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The holy spirit is Jehovah God's invisible, active force He puts into action to accomplish His will...

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Judea and Samaria,+ and to the most distant part of the earth.”+ Acts 1:8
 
Daisy said:
The holy spirit is Jehovah God's invisible, active force He puts into action to accomplish His will...

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Judea and Samaria,+ and to the most distant part of the earth.”+ Acts 1:8
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Is the HG sentient?
 
Lycanthrope said:
Is the HG sentient?
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No...

Personification does not prove personality. It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a “helper” and spoke of such helper as ‘teaching,’ ‘bearing witness,’ ‘giving evidence,’ ‘guiding,’ ‘speaking,’ ‘hearing,’ and ‘receiving.’ In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the masculine personal pronoun to that “helper” (paraclete). (Compare Joh 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15.) However, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs (1:20-33; 8:1-36); and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations. (KJ, RS, JP, AT) Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.

So, likewise with John’s account of Jesus’ words regarding the holy spirit, his remarks must be taken in context. Jesus personalized the holy spirit when speaking of that spirit as a “helper” (which in Greek is the masculine substantive pa·raʹkle·tos). Properly, therefore, John presents Jesus’ words as referring to that “helper” aspect of the spirit with masculine personal pronouns. On the other hand, in the same context, when the Greek pneuʹma is used, John employs a neuter pronoun to refer to the holy spirit, pneuʹma itself being neuter. Hence, we have in John’s use of the masculine personal pronoun in association with pa·raʹkle·tos an example of conformity to grammatical rules, not an expression of doctrine.—Joh 14:16, 17; 16:7, 8.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004211
 
Daisy said:
No...

Personification does not prove personality. It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a “helper” and spoke of such helper as ‘teaching,’ ‘bearing witness,’ ‘giving evidence,’ ‘guiding,’ ‘speaking,’ ‘hearing,’ and ‘receiving.’ In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the masculine personal pronoun to that “helper” (paraclete). (Compare Joh 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15.) However, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs (1:20-33; 8:1-36); and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations. (KJ, RS, JP, AT) Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.

So, likewise with John’s account of Jesus’ words regarding the holy spirit, his remarks must be taken in context. Jesus personalized the holy spirit when speaking of that spirit as a “helper” (which in Greek is the masculine substantive pa·raʹkle·tos). Properly, therefore, John presents Jesus’ words as referring to that “helper” aspect of the spirit with masculine personal pronouns. On the other hand, in the same context, when the Greek pneuʹma is used, John employs a neuter pronoun to refer to the holy spirit, pneuʹma itself being neuter. Hence, we have in John’s use of the masculine personal pronoun in association with pa·raʹkle·tos an example of conformity to grammatical rules, not an expression of doctrine.—Joh 14:16, 17; 16:7, 8.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004211
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Thank you for responding. So JWs do not worship the Holy Ghost the way they do God.

What about Jesus - is he worshipped?
 
To better understand the Trinity, one has to look to “The Godfather,” pronounced the source of all wisdom by Tom Hanks, I believe akin to the I Ching in some movie. Think of Vito Corleone’s three sons. Sonny is God the Father, always ready to smite someone, advocates genocide. Michael is God the Son, at times hesitant to take up his burden, as in his agony on the garden before his arrest. The Holy Spirit, like Fredo, gets little respect (“send Fred to the airport to pick up someone,” he complained) and is sent on errands like the Annunciation and Pentecost.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Thank you for responding. So JWs do not worship the Holy Ghost the way they do God.

What about Jesus - is he worshipped?
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No, what did Jesus say? He didn't say "me alone you must serve"...

At this, Jesus said to him, “Get away, Satan! It is written: ‘The Lord, your God, shall you worship and him alone shall you serve.’ ” Matthew 4:10
 
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