5" group @1k yds......85yo

[Lutherf]

Nice shootin' old timer!!!

 

[MichaelJR]

Now that...liberals....is a sub-division of gun control....it's called bullet drop and windage compensation.

 

[APACHERAT]

 

[tech30528]

1/2 MOA? He is shooting at the limits of that rifle. He is shooting pretty much perfectly. Of course, the instructor did ll the adjustments before he got behind the scope, but for those of you not familiar with marksmanship, that means that he was limiting the movement of that barrel to less than 1/120 of one degree of movement.

 

[US Conservative]

Nice shootin' old timer!!!

Awesome! I love that old Springfield as well. Its rare to see a ww2 vet, especiallyy with his uniform these days.

 

[American]

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This scares anti-gunners. They worry about who else is out there.

 

[American]

1/2 MOA? He is shooting at the limits of that rifle. He is shooting pretty much perfectly. Of course, the instructor did ll the adjustments before he got behind the scope, but for those of you not familiar with marksmanship, that means that he was limiting the movement of that barrel to less than 1/120 of one degree of movement.

Pretty amazing considering your muscle control declines with age.

 

[tech30528]

Pretty amazing considering your muscle control declines with age.

A little trick I use... When I am heading to the range I'll take a couple of Aleve. Naproxen sodium is a muscle relaxer and takes the last little bit of shake out for those precision shots. We don't do prop shots, the most stable position for us is prone with a sling.

 

[US Conservative]

A little trick I use... When I am heading to the range I'll take a couple of Aleve. Naproxen sodium is a muscle relaxer and takes the last little bit of shake out for those precision shots. We don't do prop shots, the most stable position for us is prone with a sling.

Ive never heard naproxen was a muscle relaxer, but certainly there are cases of military/law enforcement snipers using muscle relaxants. Beta Blockers can afford a large advantage in keeping one calm and heart rate down as well.

 

[tech30528]

Ive never heard naproxen was a muscle relaxer, but certainly there are cases of military/law enforcement snipers using muscle relaxants. Beta Blockers can afford a large advantage in keeping one calm and heart rate down as well.

Yeah, we don't have to go quite that far. We're shooting paper and it is not shooting back.

 

[lka]

A little trick I use... When I am heading to the range I'll take a couple of Aleve. Naproxen sodium is a muscle relaxer and takes the last little bit of shake out for those precision shots. We don't do prop shots, the most stable position for us is prone with a sling.

I like to have a 40 of old English and a blunt!

JK

 

[Lutherf]

A little trick I use... When I am heading to the range I'll take a couple of Aleve. Naproxen sodium is a muscle relaxer and takes the last little bit of shake out for those precision shots. We don't do prop shots, the most stable position for us is prone with a sling.

Are you shooting Appleseed?

 

[tech30528]

Are you shooting Appleseed?

Orange hat :lol: Looking forward to my red hat if I ever get the time to do it. We have an interesting tradition here, when someone graduates from orange to red we put the orange hat down range and the instructors take turns at it with a Garand. I average a 235 of the possible 250 on the AQT. I have shot a 250 and several 248s and 249s. Have you been to an Appleseed?

 

[Lutherf]

Orange hat :lol: Looking forward to my red hat if I ever get the time to do it. We have an interesting tradition here, when someone graduates from orange to red we put the orange hat down range and the instructors take turns at it with a Garand. I average a 235 of the possible 250 on the AQT. I have shot a 250 and several 248s and 249s. Have you been to an Appleseed?

I haven't but I love the concept. I want to hit a boot camp. Guess I need to pull my head out and check to see when they're having one somewhere on my side of the Mississippi that isn't California.

 

[tech30528]

The history part of it is pretty amazing. I like to use this as a wrap up.
Limbaugh on The Founding Fathers

Here you go....
After Action Reports

 

[notquiteright]

I haven't but I love the concept. I want to hit a boot camp. Guess I need to pull my head out and check to see when they're having one somewhere on my side of the Mississippi that isn't California.

If you are willing to consider other venues there are quite a few schools in the SW. One I can think of is in your state. Costs more than a Boot Camp but done far more often in far more places. Most are LE certified. I'd recommend anyone wanting to learn the science behind LR to attend.

Back on the OP, I have shot F-Class for awhile now and have yet to see a 1/2moa group at 1K by anyone. Very impressive, even with a spotter. 1moa seems to be the best the National teams can do.

 

[US Conservative]

This scares anti-gunners. They worry about who else is out there.

Liberals have an almost superstitious fear of weapons.

 

[US Conservative]

I haven't but I love the concept. I want to hit a boot camp. Guess I need to pull my head out and check to see when they're having one somewhere on my side of the Mississippi that isn't California.

I really need to get to one, I dont know which rifles id bring. Probably a 10/22 and my sks.

 

[US Conservative]

If you are willing to consider other venues there are quite a few schools in the SW. One I can think of is in your state. Costs more than a Boot Camp but done far more often in far more places. Most are LE certified. I'd recommend anyone wanting to learn the science behind LR to attend.

Back on the OP, I have shot F-Class for awhile now and have yet to see a 1/2moa group at 1K by anyone. Very impressive, even with a spotter. 1moa seems to be the best the National teams can do.

What kind of rifle are you running for f class?

 

[tech30528]

I really need to get to one, I dont know which rifles id bring. Probably a 10/22 and my sks.

Great choice on the 10 22. Does your SKS have the old style firing pin? I think it's the 1951 and older ones that don't slam fire.

 

[US Conservative]

Great choice on the 10 22. Does your SKS have the old style firing pin? I think it's the 1951 and older ones that don't slam fire.

Mines yugoslavian I think, so probably post 51. I have a bunch of mosin ammo, I wonder how well that would serve, id have to get a shoulder pad.

 

[tech30528]

Mines yugoslavian I think, so probably post 51. I have a bunch of mosin ammo, I wonder how well that would serve, id have to get a shoulder pad.

I shoot a modified Mosin for full distance AQT. The milsurp stuff is pretty good. I recently discovered that it is subMOA with Brown Bear 203 grain soft points. Picked some up for a recent hog hunt and was pleasantly surprised to see it cloverleaf at 100 yards. I don't have the recoil issue, I put a JP Recoil Eliminator on it and works very well.

The reason I ask about the SKS is that I've had to remove a couple of them from the firing line when they ran full auto. Don't know a lot about that platform but from what I'm told the old design is better.

 

[US Conservative]

I shoot a modified Mosin for full distance AQT. The milsurp stuff is pretty good. I recently discovered that it is subMOA with Brown Bear 203 grain soft points. Picked some up for a recent hog hunt and was pleasantly surprised to see it cloverleaf at 100 yards. I don't have the recoil issue, I put a JP Recoil Eliminator on it and works very well.

The reason I ask about the SKS is that I've had to remove a couple of them from the firing line when they ran full auto. Don't know a lot about that platform but from what I'm told the old design is better.

Ive never had a slam fire issue, id guess the issues were with cosmoline.

Good to know about the m91-30, I think you mentioned you had a highly modified version. Mine is rack grade, complete with a sticky bolt (though I did smooth it up some). I have plenty of milsurp ammo for it though. Ive been thinking of accurizing it (bedding, free float, trigger polish) on the cheap.

I also have target rifles but thought open sights might be fun.

 

[notquiteright]

What kind of rifle are you running for f class?

The national teams are in the Unlimited Class and run bolt action 6.5x284, REAL barrel burners!

My wife and I are in a newer class, F-TR, which limits the caliber selection to 308 and 223- we use bolt actions, they pretty much dominate F class.

If I was to opine on what rifle to take for learning marksmanship some would depend on the range format. The 25 yard range can use most any caliber, but for me the tool you use to learn the finer points of marksmanship can help or hinder the process. I'd never recommend an AR platform for this unless the trigger group was replaced. Have owned an SKS and wouldn't recommend it for a skills learning platform. Do you know how to use the interrupter to tighten your shot group?

Anywho, a nice bolt gun is probably the best beginner platform to develop skills, then transition to other systems with a bit of guidance on the differences. I love my DPMS 308, a REAL shooter for a gas system, but extremely glad I learned on a Rem700 first. There are quite a few very good beginner rifles you can upgrade as you improve, to start learning the skill set. Savage has a series of rifles for under 400 bucks that make great starters, in a wide variety of calibers that can be changed in your garage so no gunsmith needed, and quite a bit of 'comp' upgrades to make the rifle competitive with the rifles costing 1000's more.

My wife routinely spanks guys with their high dollar rifles using her Savage 308 still sporting it's factory tube, (I put a comp trigger group in), I shudder to think what she will do with a new Douglas barrel. (I may take up fishing... )

Teach a man to fish and he will never be hungry, teach your woman to shoot and your ego will always be able to fit in your pocket!

 

[US Conservative]

The national teams are in the Unlimited Class and run bolt action 6.5x284, REAL barrel burners!

My wife and I are in a newer class, F-TR, which limits the caliber selection to 308 and 223- we use bolt actions, they pretty much dominate F class.

If I was to opine on what rifle to take for learning marksmanship some would depend on the range format. The 25 yard range can use most any caliber, but for me the tool you use to learn the finer points of marksmanship can help or hinder the process. I'd never recommend an AR platform for this unless the trigger group was replaced. Have owned an SKS and wouldn't recommend it for a skills learning platform. Do you know how to use the interrupter to tighten your shot group?

Anywho, a nice bolt gun is probably the best beginner platform to develop skills, then transition to other systems with a bit of guidance on the differences. I love my DPMS 308, a REAL shooter for a gas system, but extremely glad I learned on a Rem700 first. There are quite a few very good beginner rifles you can upgrade as you improve, to start learning the skill set. Savage has a series of rifles for under 400 bucks that make great starters, in a wide variety of calibers that can be changed in your garage so no gunsmith needed, and quite a bit of 'comp' upgrades to make the rifle competitive with the rifles costing 1000's more.

My wife routinely spanks guys with their high dollar rifles using her Savage 308 still sporting it's factory tube, (I put a comp trigger group in), I shudder to think what she will do with a new Douglas barrel. (I may take up fishing... )

Teach a man to fish and he will never be hungry, teach your woman to shoot and your ego will always be able to fit in your pocket!

Id love to hear how to use the interrupter to tighten a group.