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danarhea said:I rest my case.
I've made up several words. Only two have come close to catching on yet- pop-con and not-lie. A not-lie is a "technically correct" sub-set of negative pregnants. Pop-cons are folks whose idea of conservatism is dependent upon support for the invasion of Iraq and/or support for GWB.Martyr_Machine said:Neoconism isnt a word.
Making things up does wonders for your credibility
"Absolutely nothing" is hyperbolic. It may be less inaccurate to say that in theory those of the neocon persuasion are likely to make domestic policy subserviant to the foreign policy. However, in practice, it's not so easy for the two sets of policy to be separated when what's holding them together is the positions of power and the neocons in them. To no small degree the execution of neocon foreign policy has been subject to various and arguably inappropriate domestic drivers.Martyr_Machine said:Besides, neo-conservatism is an exclusively foreign policy oriented ideology. It has absolutely nothing to do with domestic affairs.
I consider them liberal entryists. Some of them are former communists and Trotskyites.Connecticutter said:Now I've heard many different definitions of neo-conservative. Some say that its an agressive foreign policy with a liberal domestic policy. Others say that its a modernized version of "social conservatism." Still others will contend that its an attempt to use American power to spread the liberal ideas of freedom and democracy around the world. So we're still not clear on this word.
I certainly can see the sense of that. I sometimes make the distinction myself for clarity's sake.Connecticutter said:If this is the definition of neo-conservatism, wouldn't it be more fair to say that president Bush agrees with some neoconservative ideas, but that he is not a pure neo-conservative himself?
Simon W. Moon said:I consider them liberal entryists. Some of them are former communists and Trotskyites.
I'll provide some words from the horses' mouths (what else?):
From the Godfather of NeoConservatism:
The Neoconservative PersuasionFrom the August 25, 2003 issue: What it was, and what it is.And from William Kristol
by Irving Kristol
...the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.
...an attitude toward public finance that is far less risk averse than is the case among more traditional conservatives.
Neocons do not feel that kind of alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state... seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable. Because they tend to be more interested in history than economics or sociology, they know that the 19th-century idea, so neatly propounded by Herbert Spencer in his "The Man Versus the State," was a historical eccentricity. People have always preferred strong government to weak government, although they certainly have no liking for anything that smacks of overly intrusive government. Neocons feel at home in today's America to a degree that more traditional conservatives do not.
The upshot is a quite unexpected alliance between neocons, who include a fair proportion of secular intellectuals, and religious traditionalists.
Because religious conservatism is so feeble in Europe, the neoconservative potential there is correspondingly weak.
And large nations, whose identity is ideological, like the Soviet Union of yesteryear and the United States of today, inevitably have ideological interests in addition to more material concerns. Barring extraordinary events, the United States will always feel obliged to defend, if possible, a democratic nation under attack from nondemocratic forces, external or internal.
No complicated geopolitical calculations of national interest are necessary.
Irving Kristol is author of "Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea."
"If we have to make common cause with the more hawkish liberals and fight the conservatives, that is fine with me... If you read the last few issues of the Weekly Standard, it has much more in common with liberal hawks than traditional conservatives."From Benador Associates:
What the Heck Is a Neocon?
by Max Boot
Wall Street Journal
The original neocons were a band of liberal intellectuals who rebelled against the Democratic Party's leftward drift on defense issues in the 1970s. At first the neocons clustered around Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a Democrat, but then they aligned themselves with Ronald Reagan and the Republicans, who promised to confront Soviet expansionism.
So is "neoconservatism" worthless as a political label? Not entirely. In social policy, it stands for a broad sympathy with a traditionalist agenda and a rejection of extreme libertarianism.
On economic matters, neocons...embrace a laissez-faire line, though they are not as troubled by the size of the welfare state as libertarians are.
But it is not really domestic policy that defines neoconservatism. This was a movement founded on foreign policy, and it is still here that neoconservatism carries the greatest meaning...
One group of conservatives believes that we should use armed force only to defend our vital national interests, narrowly defined. They believe that we should remove, or at least disarm, Saddam Hussein, but not occupy Iraq for any substantial period afterward. The idea of bringing democracy to the Middle East they denounce as a mad, hubristic dream likely to backfire with tragic consequences. This view, which goes under the somewhat self-congratulatory moniker of "realism," is championed by foreign-policy mandarins like Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft and James Baker III.
[Neocons] ...think, however, that "realism" presents far too crabbed a view of American power and responsibility.
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